What's your estimated range with 100% SoC?

[ferrocinque]

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[TurboSpain]

I once saw a range of 550 km on the PCM at 100% charge: the days before, I drove about 500 km (60% highway, 40% city), kept the speed within the legal highway limits (115-120 km/h), made merges onto the highway and started at stoplights as if I had a 150 HP car. I also tried to use the brakes as little as possible and press the accelerator very gently (the traffic police would be very proud of me). The result was a consumption of 17 kWh/100 km.

Okay, it was an experiment that proves the car can be efficient... but I won't do it again.

Understand me, I'm not a road freak, but I love the way the seat pushes against my back when accelerating, and I like driving my Turbo like this... This means consumption of about 21 kWh/100 km and a range of 460 km. That's fine by me.

 

[de0xyrib0se]

I once saw a range of 550 km on the PCM at 100% charge: the days before, I drove about 500 km (60% highway, 40% city), kept the speed within the legal highway limits (115-120 km/h), made merges onto the highway and started at stoplights as if I had a 150 HP car. I also tried to use the brakes as little as possible and press the accelerator very gently (the traffic police would be very proud of me). The result was a consumption of 17 kWh/100 km.

Okay, it was an experiment that proves the car can be efficient... but I won't do it again.

Understand me, I'm not a road freak, but I love the way the seat pushes against my back when accelerating, and I like driving my Turbo like this... This means consumption of about 21 kWh/100 km and a range of 460 km. That's fine by me.

If I drive it properly (145-160), variable highway, I'm at 23-24kWh/100km. Gaining those 7kWh difference between my number and your number at the charging station is 4min. I'd rather spend 4min additional at he charging station relaxing rather than spending hours on the road making up for the range difference (30km/h).

 

[de0xyrib0se]

Warmer weather and city driving?

 

[TurboSpain]

If I drive it properly (145-160), variable highway, I'm at 23-24kWh/100km. Gaining those 7kWh difference between my number and your number at the charging station is 4min. I'd rather spend 4min additional at he charging station relaxing rather than spending hours on the road making up for the range difference (30km/h).

Yes, we agree. That's why I said I wouldn't drive again for maximum efficiency; it's not worth it, and it's very boring.

 

[ferrocinque]

Warmer weather and city driving?

Well.. in Rome last week has been between 11 and 24 centigrades. Last days it has been a mix between city and some highway. Anyway, as others said, this is a mere estimation. The prediction of the navigation system when i put a destination is much more accurate.

 

[EvSwimmers]

Funny you mention it because I always do but the car seems to prefer using it's own batter for heat. You can easily check it - charge the battery, then turn on climate control, you'll see it does not use power from the charger to do this. One of many many many things that is wrong with this car.

I'm not sure, but I'd guess that there is no mechanism for the charging circuit in any electric vehicle to do anything other than charge the battery. So you'd have to use enough juice from the battery to trigger it to start charging again.
I have no idea how much below 80% (assuming the limit is set to 80%) the SOC needs to drop before triggering charging to start but I guess it's less than 79.9999!

 

[TomekGnomek]

If I drive it properly (145-160), variable highway, I'm at 23-24kWh/100km.

How? In my case at these speed it's usually over 30kWh/100.

 

[de0xyrib0se]

How? In my case at these speed it's usually over 30kWh/100.

I have only seen numbers in the 26-30kWh range when the terrain has a positive gradient. So yes, I have seen these numbers as well but not on my common routes. I go up for some periods and then go down for some periods (I also have recuperation on all the time) it averages in the 23-24kWh range.

Highly dependent on the terrain and driving style.

I wouldn't read too much into it! After all, there are charging stations all over the place.

I've been driving EVs for 5 years now. Initially I was very focused on range. I love driving and crisscrossing Europe. I do an East to West and back at least twice per year. Serbia and Croatia were a big pain (still continue to be a challenge). Oftentimes my brakes squeak because I hardly use them.

Again, enjoy the ride, pedal to the metal when you can and have an extra coffee to make up the kWs

 

[Petzi]

Funny you mention it because I always do but the car seems to prefer using it's own batter for heat. You can easily check it - charge the battery, then turn on climate control, you'll see it does not use power from the charger to do this. One of many many many things that is wrong with this car.

this is factually wrong. when car is attached to charger and is set to any charging level and one sits in the car long enough (one hour?) to see any significant consumption through heating/cooling the car will recharge. how did you test it? how do you determine that the car does not use the charger?

 

[TomekGnomek]

this is factually wrong. when car is attached to charger and is set to any charging level and one sits in the car long enough (one hour?) to see any significant consumption through heating/cooling the car will recharge. how did you test it? how do you determine that the car does not use the charger?

Oh you again

It’s simple I tested it during last winter with freezing temps - set the charge limit to 100%, departure time and climate control. Left the house with 98 or 96% because when I approached the car (about half an hour after scheduled departure time) it was heating without charging.

Anyway it should not wait for the SoC to drop after heating the car with the battery but use the charger to heat the car. In my case it dropped a couple of % so when exactly should the recharge kick in?

Tested it a couple of times and learned not to set the dept time way ahead of my actual planned departure due to this.

I suspect this have something to do with the fact it’s not always possible to turn charging back on once it’s been switched off. You can check for yourself - just stop charging with your mobile app and you will not be able to turn in back on. At least I’m not, I have to go the car, unplug it and plug it again. This is one of the reasons I worry about battery degradation we talked in other thread. I have not witness the „battery protection” in effect even though I left the car plugged in on driveway during very hot days. Sometimes during fast DC charging there is no fan working and when I finish and start driving it starts operating on crazy levels. There are lots of such software bugs that might affect the SoH.

 

[Petzi]

Oh you again

It’s simple I tested it during last winter with freezing temps - set the charge limit to 100%, departure time and climate control. Left the house with 98 or 96% because when I approached the car (about half an hour after scheduled departure time) it was heating without charging.

Anyway it should not wait for the SoC to drop after heating the car with the battery but use the charger to heat the car. In my case it dropped a couple of % so when exactly should the recharge kick in?

Tested it a couple of times and learned not to set the dept time way ahead of my actual planned departure due to this.

I suspect this have something to do with the fact it’s not always possible to turn charging back on once it’s been switched off. You can check for yourself - just stop charging with your mobile app and you will not be able to turn in back on. At least I’m not, I have to go the car, unplug it and plug it again. This is one of the reasons I worry about battery degradation we talked in other thread. I have not witness the „battery protection” in effect even though I left the car plugged in on driveway during very hot days. Sometimes during fast DC charging there is no fan working and when I finish and start driving it starts operating on crazy levels. There are lots of such software bugs that might affect the SoH.

this is absurd! you. „turn off charging with the app“ and complain that the car does not start charging by it self..
plus you claim that your car precondiction infinity when you miss your departure time..
than you blame the car that your charger does not restart the charging.
are you for real?
you definitely experience phenomena with your car nobody else has seen.
plus why do i have to read about your grievances with the car in every single thread here? why dont you sell it und buy something that suits better?

 

[TomekGnomek]

this is absurd! you. „turn off charging with the app“ and complain that the car does not start charging by it self..

This is not what I wrote. Once you stop the charging process with your app you cannot start it back on (with an app). I never wrote „the car would not start charging by itself” please put some more effort in understanding what you read. I only mentioned it as an argument there are more issues with charging than just using battery for climate when plugged in.

plus you claim that your car precondiction infinity when you miss your departure time..
than you blame the car that your charger does not restart the charging.
are you for real?

Again not at all what I wrote and TBH I’m not sure what you mean. Climate control works up to an hour after turning it on and up to 30 mins or so after scheduled departure time, look it up in the manual. It’s the same as turning it on manually and going to the car an hour later only to find out it didn’t use the charger but the battery for climate control. I use it like this often and it never ever uses the charger, it always drains the battery. Loaners I had behaved the same way.

you definitely experience phenomena with your car nobody else has seen.

This is not true there are many people on this forum with serious problems some with cars ending up for months at the shop.

Oh and there is an interesting poll in the other thread where only 18% of buyers report no problems with this car all other expirence aome kind of issues question only how many and how serious. This is crazy.

 

[de0xyrib0se]

this is absurd! you. „turn off charging with the app“ and complain that the car does not start charging by it self..
plus you claim that your car precondiction infinity when you miss your departure time..
than you blame the car that your charger does not restart the charging.
are you for real?
you definitely experience phenomena with your car nobody else has seen.
plus why do i have to read about your grievances with the car in every single thread here? why dont you sell it und buy something that suits better?

This forum is for exchanging feedback, good and bad.

The concerns with range are legitimate for many owners and I would not classify it as a phenomena.

If the car is not using the charger but its pulling battery for precondition its a legit oversight on the engineering team. Its a simple 'if' statement for gods sake...have not had time to test it, will do in the morning.

@TomekGnomek, I got your averages last night going 150+ uphill heading into Slovenia. Btw, the drag/resistance changes dramatically around 145km.

 

[TomekGnomek]

@TomekGnomek, I got your averages last night going 150+ uphill heading into Slovenia. Btw, the drag/resistance changes dramatically around 145km.

Yes, this is my observation as well I noticed 145 to be the sweet spot and often set the cruise to this speed, anything ~150+ starts going way up even in optimal conditions.

have not had time to test it, will do in the morning.

Let me know what you find out, I'm curious if this is by design or is it just my car. The easiest way to check this out is to set the charging target to 80%, wait till it stops at 80% and then run climate control for an hour. In extreme conditions like <0C it will quickly use a noticeable amount of SoC. In mild weather like we have in Poland at the moment it may not be that obvious but still you should see if it starts using power from the charger - it should not be funning climate control from the battery if plugged in.

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