Turbo service and Macan 4 loaner

[daveo4EV]

Service Complete - dropped off on July 31st - Returned Sept. 24th - OMG - there were many many delays {sigh} - mostly around ordering delays for a wiring harness and parts for the air supension

but it's back now - and I learned a lot living with a Macan 4 for 2 months…

Summary - What was done - high level overview

• Comfort access wasn't working - turned out to be rodent damage - non-warranty repair -grrrr
• Chassis Error - hmmm - replaced some parts and the airbags - not sure what was "wrong" but no errors now
• Recall: Backup Camera
• Recall: Recode the headlights
• Recall: Software update VR28.11
• Recall: Rear motor wire harness washer check/repair

Gory Gory Details from the Service invoice

• Concern: Driver's door comfort access was no longer working
  • resolution: rodent damage - had to replace/repair a wining harness - not warranty {sigh}
  • VAL PERFORMED IN LINE 3. FOUND CODES "B1D6013 - Rear left KESSY antenna (R165), open circuit", "B193313 - Front lid proximity sensor (G1036), open circuit". REMOVED DOOR SILL TRIM ON DRIVER SIDE, NO DAMAGE TO THE ANTENNA, WIRES AND CONNECTOR AND GOOD. REMOVED FRONT TRUNK TRIM. FOUND RODENT DAMAGE TO BOTH WIRES TO THE LEFT REAR KESSY ANTENNA. LOOKING AT THE FRONT LID PROXIMITY SENSOR, FOUND RODENT DAMAGE TO THE HARNESS FOR THE SENSOR IN THE BUMPER. RECOMMEND WIRE REPAIR FOR ALL RODENT DAMAGED WIRES. PERFORMED REPAIR IN LINE 11. This is a diagnosis line only
  • REPAIR WIRES FOR LEFT REAR KESSY ANTENNA, ABOVE LEFT FRONT WHEEL, AND FRONT LID PROXIMITY SENSOR, BUMPER NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. AS PER CUSTOMER REQUEST REPAIRED WIRES FOR LEFT REAR KESSY ANTENNA AND FRONT LID PROXIMITY SENSOR, CLEARED FAULTS AND ENSURED ALL KESSY FUNCTIONS WORK AS DESIGNED. CUSTOMER COMPLAINT REMEDIED AT THIS TIME
• Concern - Chassis Error - no air supension control for 4+ days - then it cleared…
  • resolution - I"m not quite sure but they did some things…
  • PERFORMED VAL AND SCANNED FOR FAULTS AFTER CONFIRMING WARNING LIGHT. FOUND CODE "C1401F0 - Air supply system - internal communication error". CHECKED FUSES F36 AND F62 FOR J1075 IN LEFT REAR FUSE BOX. FUSES GOOD. CHECKED LEFT REAR GROUND POINT 50.1, GROUND POINT GOOD, TORQUED PROPERLY. REMOVED REAR UNDERBODY PANEL AND LOOSENED LEFT REAR WHEEL HOUSING LINER TO CHECK COMPRESSOR. NO DAMAGED OR LOOSE CONNECTORS FOUND. TESTED CONNECTOR B FOR COMPRESSOR CONTROL UNIT J1075.1. FOUND 14V ON SUPPLY, REAR RAISING SIGNAL, HECKTESTER SIGNAL REDUNDANT, LED, ABSENKEN. 2.4V FOUND ON CAN HIGH AND LOW. GROUND POINT, NO OPEN CIRCUIT FOUND. FOUND CONTROL UNIT FAULTY, REPLACING CONTROL UNIT. REPLACED CONTROL UNIT AND PERFOREMED CODING/ PROGRAMMING, FAULT STILL PRESENT. FOLLOWED GUIDED FAULT FINDING AND ORDERED COMPRESSOR FOR AIR RIDE. REPLACED COMPRESSOR, COMPRESSOR WITH CONTROL UNIT (PREVIOUSLY ORDERED CONTROL UNIT RETURNED). PROGRAMMED CONTROL UNITS AND FILLED AIR SUSPENSION, WHILE SCANNING VEHICLE TO CLEAR FAULTS, REAR AIR BELLOWS FAILED AND BLEW. ORDERED NEW BELLOWS, WEEK 38 REPLACED COMPRESSOR, COMPRESSOR WITH CONTROL UNIT (PREVIOUSLY ORDERED CONTROL UNIT RETURNED). PROGRAMMED CONTROL UNITS AND FILLED AIR SUSPENSION, WHILE SCANNING VEHICLE TO CLEAR FAULTS, REAR AIR BELLOWS FAILED AND BLEW. ORDERED NEW BELLOWS, WEEK 38. NEW BELLOWS INSTALLED AND AIR SUSPENSION FILLED. FOUND NEW COMPRESSOR AND ITS CONTROL UNIT WERE CODED WITH A DIFFERENT VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER. CORRECTED ERROR, PERFORMED RESETTING VALUES OF COMPRESSOR AND RIDE HEIGHT CALIBRATION. AXLE LOAD CALIBRATION AND AUTOMATIC CODING. LET VEHICLE REST AND KEY CYCLE TO CLEAR FAULTS AND TEST DROVE VEHICLE 6 MILES, KEY CYCLED VEHICLE AGAIN. SHOP ASSISTANT TEST DROVE VEHICLE TO ENSURE REPAIR. CUSTOMER COMPLAINT REMEDIED AT THIS TIME.
• RECALL: 99POZ-ARC5 RECODE HCP4 C.U.
  • ARC5 recall campaign Re-coding main control unit for body electronics (HCP4) and control unit for headlights Re-code main control unit for body electronics (HCP4). For vehicles with country-specific equipment C36 Canada, the control units for headlights (MX14, MX15) and the control units or auxiliary headlights (MX1, sMX2) must also be re-coded. Information The minimum programming requirement is PIWIS Tester software release 43.000.040 (or higher). Information The prerequisite for this action is the successful implementation of the campaign WRM0 Update to software network VR28.11. If software network 28.11 has not yet been installed on the respective vehicle, this must be done before carrying out the present action here. SCOPE 1 74TU, SCOPE 2 74TU ARC5 recall campaign Re-coding main control unit for body electronics (HCP4) and control unit for headlights PERFORMED SCOPE ...1 VOLTAGE ...14.7
• RECALL: 99POZ-ASA3 REVERSE CAMERA C.U.
  • ASA3 Re-Program Reversing Camera Control Unit and, if necessary, Replace Reversing Camera and Surround View Cameras (Recall Campaign) In rare cases, the reversing camera of the affected vehicles cannot be activated when ParkAssist is switched on due to a software error. In addition, with a very small number of affected vehicles, it is possible that the housing of the reversing camera and individual surround view cameras in the surround view equipment option were not bonded as per default value specifications. As a result, no camera image is displayed in the central display when ParkAssist is activated contrary to the default value specifications. If the camera housing is not bonded correctly, moisture can penetrate and impair the camera image. Action: Re-program reversing camera control unit using the PIWIS Tester and replace reversing camera and individual surround view cameras if necessary. Each vehicle was assigned exactly to one scope that includes the actions required for each vehicle. PIWIS Tester software release 43.300.040 (or higher) SCOPE 1-127TU, 2-25TU, 3-230TU, 4-556TU, 5-271TU, 6-271TU, 7- 597TU, 8-597TU, 9-312TU, 10-639TU ASA3 Re-Program Reversing Camera Control Unit and, if necessary, Replace Reversing Camera and Surround View Cameras (RecallCampaign) Performed scope 2 voltages at 14.7
• RECALL: 99POZ-WSD0 SOFTWARE VR28.11
  • WSD0 - Install Upgrade to the Software Network VR28.11 (Workshop Campaign) Additional software optimizations are available for various control units for the Macan Electric. An overview of the changes that will be implemented with the software update can be found in the appendix under ? Technical Information 'Overview of software update changes'. Action: Perform reprogramming of the affected vehicle using the PIWIS Tester on the incremented software network VR28.11. Information The minimum programming requirement is the PIWIS Tester software release 43.300.010 (or higher). Information The prerequisite for this action is the successful implementation of the campaign WRM0 Update to software network VR28.11. If software network 28.11 has not yet been installed on the respective vehicle, this must be done before carrying out the present action here. Read TI WRM0 for details on this. SCOPE 1 147TU WSD0 - Install Upgrade to the Software Network VR28.11 (Workshop Campaign) PERFORMED SCOPE 1 VOLTAGE ...14.7
• RECALL: 99POZ-WSJ2 WIRE HARNESS
  • WSJ2 Reworking Rear Axle Module Wire Harness (Workshop Campaign) On the affected vehicles, it is possible that the diameter of the fastening clip of the rear axle module wire harness does not meet the required specification. If this is the case, crushing and damage to the main wire harness cannot be ruled out. As a result, a yellow warning message Vehicle electrical system faulty will be displayed on the instrument cluster. Action: Rework the rear axle module wire harness SCOPE 1 57TU, SCOPE 2 77TU WSJ2 Reworking Rear Axle Module Wire Harness (Workshop Campaign) PERFORMED SCOPE 1
• Check Tire pressures
• Dealer full vehicle inspection
• Loaner Car was provided (Macan 4 EV)

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[daveo4EV]

after living with a Macan 4 for nearly two months and then getting back in my Turbo - here are my take aways…

• One does not need the Turbo
• I think I could be happy with a 4S
• the Macan 4 is "quick" once you get it moving - but it is "slow" from a dead stop for my taste
• Everything else is _IDENTICAL_ - other than acceleration there is no character differences between different Macan Trim levels
• A nicely optioned 4S is a fantastic choice!!!
• the Macan 4 loaner I had was nicely optioned (massage, seats, some leather, passenger display, innodrive, air suspension, HUD, etc…). but not as nicely optioned as my Turbo - and once back in the turbo I did like the the upgraded interior - more leather needs to be applied for maximum happiness
• I like the upgraded headliner in my Macan Turbo - it just adds a bit more "build quality"

the 4S is the sweet spot and is "not slow" from a dead stop - once these cars are "rolling" throttle response and acceleration is EV happy and super super good…

driving the Macan 4 for 2 months gave me insight into Porsche's problem with EV's

there are significant "character" differences between a: 911, 911S, 911 4S, 911 GTS, 911 GT3, 911 Turbo - different motors, different transmissions, different suspensions…and they charge for these differences and the cars are of a different character between trim levels

this is not True with EV drive trains - other than raw acceleration from a dead stop - there are no character differences between a similarity optioned Macan 4, 4S, or Turbo - they are _IDENTICAL_ other than the from dead stop acceleration…so why pay for the trim levels when the only difference is dead-stop acceleration

Porsche's business model is broken (as confirmed by current Porsche CEO, his words not mine) for EV's

there is no reason to option the Turbo - Macan 4 is 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, Macan 4S 0-60 in 3.9, Turbo is 3.1 - I can tell the difference between the 4 and 4S, I can't tell the difference between the 4S and the Turbo…

Porsche and EV's have a problem in that their ability to infinitely "tune" different characteristics is greatly diminished for EV's and hence there is no reason to seek or pay for that level of granularity…

hmmmmm - my $0.02 YMMV

 

[daveo4EV]

I built a Macan 4S (2026) to Match my 2024 Turbo build

2026 4S build - https://porsche-code.com/PTKK51L3 - $127,750
2026 Turbo build - https://porsche-code.com/PTRZJD38 - $135,760

$8,000 difference the the _ONLY_ difference between these two models is the 0-60 time - everything else is identical - and I personally can not tel the difference between 3.9 and 3.1 seconds - but I can tell the difference between 4.9 and 3.9 seconds 0-60

so the 4S in my opinion is very very viable option and save the money…

my $0.02 and YMMV

 

[shawn]

I built a Macan 4S (2026) working to Match my 2024 Turbo build

2026 4S build - https://porsche-code.com/PTKK51L3 - $127,750
2026 Turbo build - https://porsche-code.com/PTRZJD38 - $135,760

$8,000 difference the the _ONLY_ difference between these two models is the 0-60 time - everything else is identical - and I personally can not tel the difference between 3.9 and 3.1 seconds - but I can tell the difference between 4.9 and 3.9 seconds 0-60

so the 4S in my opinion is very very viable option and save the money…

my $0.02 and YMMV

Since Torque vectoring is only option on 4S and turbo I wonder if the 4S would be even more attractive over the 4 by adding that option. I wonder if anyone has optioned torque vectoring and if so, is it worth it ? meaning do they notice a difference in daily driving or is it really just for track enthusiasts. I ask because in my mind the only reason to go for the 4S over the 4 is to get that option because I’m not bothered by a slightly slower off the mark acceleration, but I am interested in optimal handling.

 

[daveo4EV]

Since Torque vectoring is only option on 4S and turbo I wonder if the 4S would be even more attractive over the 4 by adding that option. I wonder if anyone has optioned torque vectoring and if so, is it worth it ? meaning do they notice a difference in daily driving or is it really just for track enthusiasts

winter weather driving, spirited driving, track use - and unexpected maneuvers is where you want torque vectoring

personally for me - things like RWS, air suspension, torque vectoring _ARE_ the only real differences between different trim levels and Porsche even offering these sorts of options is one of things that distinguishes Porsche's from lesser vehicle's - the majority of Porsche's options are "cosmetic" and make no actual difference in how the car's drive's…

I prioritize physical and driving characteristics options wise vs. cosmetics - I'll give up a cosmetic to make room in the budget for RWS…

there is constant chatter on the forums of "do I need rear wheel steering" - these questions drive me nuts - no one _NEEDS_ these options - that's clear

but rarely and in few circumstances do they make the car worse - is a car with out RWS unlivable? certainly not - it is better with RWS probably - and it's one of the few concrete options that actually make the car difference as opposed race-tex lined finger nail clippings disposal cubby w/deviated stitching…

if you're building a Porsche check all the "mechanical" boxes first - those are the "real" differences and then check the "cosmetic" options next until you read your budget - and then your build is complete.

my $0.02 YMMV

 

[alxman]

Service Complete - dropped off on July 31st - Returned Sept. 24th - OMG - there were many many delays {sigh} - mostly around ordering delays for a wiring harness and parts for the air supension

but it's back now - and I learned a lot living with a Macan 4 for 2 months…

Summary - What was done - high level overview

• Comfort access wasn't working - turned out to be rodent damage - non-warranty repair -grrrr
• Chassis Error - hmmm - replaced some parts and the airbags - not sure what was "wrong" but no errors now
• Recall: Backup Camera
• Recall: Recode the headlights
• Recall: Software update VR28.11
• Recall: Rear motor wire harness washer check/repair

Gory Gory Details from the Service invoice

• Concern: Driver's door comfort access was no longer working
  • resolution: rodent damage - had to replace/repair a wining harness - not warranty {sigh}
  • VAL PERFORMED IN LINE 3. FOUND CODES "B1D6013 - Rear left KESSY antenna (R165), open circuit", "B193313 - Front lid proximity sensor (G1036), open circuit". REMOVED DOOR SILL TRIM ON DRIVER SIDE, NO DAMAGE TO THE ANTENNA, WIRES AND CONNECTOR AND GOOD. REMOVED FRONT TRUNK TRIM. FOUND RODENT DAMAGE TO BOTH WIRES TO THE LEFT REAR KESSY ANTENNA. LOOKING AT THE FRONT LID PROXIMITY SENSOR, FOUND RODENT DAMAGE TO THE HARNESS FOR THE SENSOR IN THE BUMPER. RECOMMEND WIRE REPAIR FOR ALL RODENT DAMAGED WIRES. PERFORMED REPAIR IN LINE 11. This is a diagnosis line only
  • REPAIR WIRES FOR LEFT REAR KESSY ANTENNA, ABOVE LEFT FRONT WHEEL, AND FRONT LID PROXIMITY SENSOR, BUMPER NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. AS PER CUSTOMER REQUEST REPAIRED WIRES FOR LEFT REAR KESSY ANTENNA AND FRONT LID PROXIMITY SENSOR, CLEARED FAULTS AND ENSURED ALL KESSY FUNCTIONS WORK AS DESIGNED. CUSTOMER COMPLAINT REMEDIED AT THIS TIME
• Concern - Chassis Error - no air supension control for 4+ days - then it cleared…
  • resolution - I"m not quite sure but they did some things…
  • PERFORMED VAL AND SCANNED FOR FAULTS AFTER CONFIRMING WARNING LIGHT. FOUND CODE "C1401F0 - Air supply system - internal communication error". CHECKED FUSES F36 AND F62 FOR J1075 IN LEFT REAR FUSE BOX. FUSES GOOD. CHECKED LEFT REAR GROUND POINT 50.1, GROUND POINT GOOD, TORQUED PROPERLY. REMOVED REAR UNDERBODY PANEL AND LOOSENED LEFT REAR WHEEL HOUSING LINER TO CHECK COMPRESSOR. NO DAMAGED OR LOOSE CONNECTORS FOUND. TESTED CONNECTOR B FOR COMPRESSOR CONTROL UNIT J1075.1. FOUND 14V ON SUPPLY, REAR RAISING SIGNAL, HECKTESTER SIGNAL REDUNDANT, LED, ABSENKEN. 2.4V FOUND ON CAN HIGH AND LOW. GROUND POINT, NO OPEN CIRCUIT FOUND. FOUND CONTROL UNIT FAULTY, REPLACING CONTROL UNIT. REPLACED CONTROL UNIT AND PERFOREMED CODING/ PROGRAMMING, FAULT STILL PRESENT. FOLLOWED GUIDED FAULT FINDING AND ORDERED COMPRESSOR FOR AIR RIDE. REPLACED COMPRESSOR, COMPRESSOR WITH CONTROL UNIT (PREVIOUSLY ORDERED CONTROL UNIT RETURNED). PROGRAMMED CONTROL UNITS AND FILLED AIR SUSPENSION, WHILE SCANNING VEHICLE TO CLEAR FAULTS, REAR AIR BELLOWS FAILED AND BLEW. ORDERED NEW BELLOWS, WEEK 38 REPLACED COMPRESSOR, COMPRESSOR WITH CONTROL UNIT (PREVIOUSLY ORDERED CONTROL UNIT RETURNED). PROGRAMMED CONTROL UNITS AND FILLED AIR SUSPENSION, WHILE SCANNING VEHICLE TO CLEAR FAULTS, REAR AIR BELLOWS FAILED AND BLEW. ORDERED NEW BELLOWS, WEEK 38. NEW BELLOWS INSTALLED AND AIR SUSPENSION FILLED. FOUND NEW COMPRESSOR AND ITS CONTROL UNIT WERE CODED WITH A DIFFERENT VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER. CORRECTED ERROR, PERFORMED RESETTING VALUES OF COMPRESSOR AND RIDE HEIGHT CALIBRATION. AXLE LOAD CALIBRATION AND AUTOMATIC CODING. LET VEHICLE REST AND KEY CYCLE TO CLEAR FAULTS AND TEST DROVE VEHICLE 6 MILES, KEY CYCLED VEHICLE AGAIN. SHOP ASSISTANT TEST DROVE VEHICLE TO ENSURE REPAIR. CUSTOMER COMPLAINT REMEDIED AT THIS TIME.
• RECALL: 99POZ-ARC5 RECODE HCP4 C.U.
  • ARC5 recall campaign Re-coding main control unit for body electronics (HCP4) and control unit for headlights Re-code main control unit for body electronics (HCP4). For vehicles with country-specific equipment C36 Canada, the control units for headlights (MX14, MX15) and the control units or auxiliary headlights (MX1, sMX2) must also be re-coded. Information The minimum programming requirement is PIWIS Tester software release 43.000.040 (or higher). Information The prerequisite for this action is the successful implementation of the campaign WRM0 Update to software network VR28.11. If software network 28.11 has not yet been installed on the respective vehicle, this must be done before carrying out the present action here. SCOPE 1 74TU, SCOPE 2 74TU ARC5 recall campaign Re-coding main control unit for body electronics (HCP4) and control unit for headlights PERFORMED SCOPE ...1 VOLTAGE ...14.7
• RECALL: 99POZ-ASA3 REVERSE CAMERA C.U.
  • ASA3 Re-Program Reversing Camera Control Unit and, if necessary, Replace Reversing Camera and Surround View Cameras (Recall Campaign) In rare cases, the reversing camera of the affected vehicles cannot be activated when ParkAssist is switched on due to a software error. In addition, with a very small number of affected vehicles, it is possible that the housing of the reversing camera and individual surround view cameras in the surround view equipment option were not bonded as per default value specifications. As a result, no camera image is displayed in the central display when ParkAssist is activated contrary to the default value specifications. If the camera housing is not bonded correctly, moisture can penetrate and impair the camera image. Action: Re-program reversing camera control unit using the PIWIS Tester and replace reversing camera and individual surround view cameras if necessary. Each vehicle was assigned exactly to one scope that includes the actions required for each vehicle. PIWIS Tester software release 43.300.040 (or higher) SCOPE 1-127TU, 2-25TU, 3-230TU, 4-556TU, 5-271TU, 6-271TU, 7- 597TU, 8-597TU, 9-312TU, 10-639TU ASA3 Re-Program Reversing Camera Control Unit and, if necessary, Replace Reversing Camera and Surround View Cameras (RecallCampaign) Performed scope 2 voltages at 14.7
• RECALL: 99POZ-WSD0 SOFTWARE VR28.11
  • WSD0 - Install Upgrade to the Software Network VR28.11 (Workshop Campaign) Additional software optimizations are available for various control units for the Macan Electric. An overview of the changes that will be implemented with the software update can be found in the appendix under ? Technical Information 'Overview of software update changes'. Action: Perform reprogramming of the affected vehicle using the PIWIS Tester on the incremented software network VR28.11. Information The minimum programming requirement is the PIWIS Tester software release 43.300.010 (or higher). Information The prerequisite for this action is the successful implementation of the campaign WRM0 Update to software network VR28.11. If software network 28.11 has not yet been installed on the respective vehicle, this must be done before carrying out the present action here. Read TI WRM0 for details on this. SCOPE 1 147TU WSD0 - Install Upgrade to the Software Network VR28.11 (Workshop Campaign) PERFORMED SCOPE 1 VOLTAGE ...14.7
• RECALL: 99POZ-WSJ2 WIRE HARNESS
  • WSJ2 Reworking Rear Axle Module Wire Harness (Workshop Campaign) On the affected vehicles, it is possible that the diameter of the fastening clip of the rear axle module wire harness does not meet the required specification. If this is the case, crushing and damage to the main wire harness cannot be ruled out. As a result, a yellow warning message Vehicle electrical system faulty will be displayed on the instrument cluster. Action: Rework the rear axle module wire harness SCOPE 1 57TU, SCOPE 2 77TU WSJ2 Reworking Rear Axle Module Wire Harness (Workshop Campaign) PERFORMED SCOPE 1
• Check Tire pressures
• Dealer full vehicle inspection
• Loaner Car was provided (Macan 4 EV)

Did the rodent damage occur while transported in the ship or is there a big problem in CA? Does the federal government need to send CDC operatives to the state?

 

[daveo4EV]

Did the rodent damage occur while transported in the ship or is there a big problem in CA? Does the federal government need to send CDC operatives to the state?

LOL - no the car was fully functional for at least 11,000 miles - I live near some open space and in a more rural county in California - we have rodent issues from time to time…

there was no way this was a shipping problem - given that car behaved flawlessly for 11k miles before I noticed the comfort access problems…this is unfortunately 100% my cost - not a warranty issue -and given my high insurance deductible too small cost to file a comprehensive claim.

 

[jwatte]

> their ability to infinitely "tune" different characteristics is greatly diminished

One could argue that, with software, they *could* tune them however they want. Maybe it's just against an engineers ability, to deliberately de-tune a system just so the more expensive one can have more of a difference ...

Plus they need to compete with the Chinese imports, who aren't playing market segementation tricks ... yet.

 

[daveo4EV]

hmmmm -minor issue back from service - Homelink was "deprogrammed" -I had to train Homelink for our garage door again…strange.

no other settings were "lost" that I've noticed/found so far…

plug&charge is still working however.

car is good so far.

 

[TurboSpain]

$8,000 difference

Those are my exact numbers: about $8,000 difference between the 4S and my Turbo.

$8,000 for more engine power (123 hp), more torque (310 Nm), bigger brakes, a unique interior and exterior package. Plus, it has a "turbo" logo on its ass...

Yeah, a 4S is a lot more reasonable, but what the heck...

 

[ColdCase]

Since Torque vectoring is only option on 4S and turbo I wonder if the 4S would be even more attractive over the 4 by adding that option. I wonder if anyone has optioned torque vectoring and if so, is it worth it ? meaning do they notice a difference in daily driving or is it really just for track enthusiasts. I ask because in my mind the only reason to go for the 4S over the 4 is to get that option because I’m not bothered by a slightly slower off the mark acceleration, but I am interested in optimal handling.

I ticked the PTV+ option box for my 4S basically for the diff lock and my winter driveway. What's another $1500.... I don't think it can be easily turned off and on, so my comparison is more subjective. I have not found a Macan review but there are other auto trans ICE Porsches that offer PTV where you may find a comparison.

The SA mentioned that just about anyone specing RWS for handling performance will also pick PTV+. I traded full leather for PTV+, but thats just me. I didn't expect to notice PTV day to day In the summer but it has a subtly more solid/effortless feeling on winding streets and country roads. I notice PTV+ most on long sweeping 35+mph turns where, with some throttle, it effortlessly pulls the car through the turn.... magic . I also notice it subtly on my favorite handling test, a sharp left bumpy, off camber, narrow two lane off ramp where the car just feels more stable than anything else I've driven, although my '74 TR6 may have been close... but we all know how memories fade over time.

I think there is a tad more gear whine, but I've driven only a small sample size for comparison. There is a bit of weight penalty. I don't recall off hand the other changes besides I think I've read the motor was flipped to make room for it (I think all 4s and Turbos have the flipped motor regardless).

Worth is so subjective. If you are looking for rationale to tick off PTV+... Useful when driving off on a slippery slope, the stability is there for those highway surprises, the subtle feel is satisfying.

 

[ColdCase]

…this is unfortunately 100% my cost - not a warranty issue -and given my high insurance deductible too small cost to file a comprehensive claim.

Rodents are a big problem in this area too. A few insurance companies treat rodent damage similar to glass damage, without a deductible... one of the reasons I picked Amica. They picked up the $11,000 repair bill for my previous car (air suspension and harness damage)

 

[daveo4EV]

There are insurance companies that treat rodent damage similar glass damage, without a deductible... one of the reasons I picked Amica. They picked up the $11,000 repair bill for my previous car (air suspension and harness damage)

I have Farmer's - and in the past they do not treat rodent damage like glass with no deductible - but I appreciate you pointing this out - we need to help each other

 

[PrudentOcean]

I have had one interesting experience with PTV+ when I was run off the road by a driver who wasn't paying attention and started to change into the left lane (for no reason whatsoever) as I was passing. I swerved onto the loose shoulder to avoid getting hit and floored it, and instead of trying to veer left off the road as I expected, the car shot ahead and easily steered back onto the road.

I don't think it would have behaved that way without PTV+ and some clever stability control programming. Saved my bacon...

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