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How can you say Macan is far superior to Tesla? From technology stand point Tesla is far superior, try to get a message on your My Porsche app when your Macan finish to charge. Regenerative breaking on the Macan is a joke. The Macan is superior in confort period. Everything else is a joke. I drive a Macan 4S and Tesla M3P highland.
"Regenerative braking is a joke"??? Are you referring to the absence of one-pedal driving for the Macan (which as PanamarFrank noted is a selling point for many in favour of the Macan)? Or are you comparing the amount of Macan regenerative braking (when the brake is applied) compared to the Tesla?
 

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How can you say Macan is far superior to Tesla? From technology stand point Tesla is far superior, try to get a message on your My Porsche app when your Macan finish to charge. Regenerative breaking on the Macan is a joke. The Macan is superior in confort period. Everything else is a joke. I drive a Macan 4S and Tesla M3P highland.
We have a 2024 M3P Highland (our 5th Tesla) and while the technology is certainly superior - everything else is subpar compared to Porsche. Build quality, drive quality, materials, service, etc... Cannot wait for our Turbo to be delivered. We charge at home so could care less about a charge complete notification. Regen was a huge thing for me at first, as I love Tesla's regen. Porsche has regen but not in the way you know and love as a Tesla user. Got used to using the brake in about 2 drives.
 

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I prefer Tesla which allow driver to decide if want regen breaking and for how much with a simple touch of a button. SInce you are a Macan lover can you please help me on how to avoid instant charging when battery is below 25%?
 

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How can you say Macan is far superior to Tesla? From technology stand point Tesla is far superior, try to get a message on your My Porsche app when your Macan finish to charge. Regenerative breaking on the Macan is a joke. The Macan is superior in confort period. Everything else is a joke. I drive a Macan 4S and Tesla M3P highland.
If by regen braking you want one peddle driving then Porsche was clear up front you don’t get that. I owned a Tesla for 4 years and don’t miss that. In fact I much prefer the Macan handling and I use ACC for stop and go traffic much like I did with my Tesla anyway . My wife likes it better too because the ride experience is smoother in the Macan. Maybe the juniper will be better than my 2022 model Y but the Tesla I had was significantly louder and rougher by far than the Macan. I also love the air suspension and you will never get that on a model 3 or Y.

On the other hand If by regenerative braking you mean energy recouped then Tesla is not better. Just look at the efficiency numbers and they are comparable. In fact I am getting better range out of the Macan than my model Y on equivalent charging.

That is my 2cents as far as regen goes.
 

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I prefer Tesla which allow driver to decide if want regen breaking and for how much with a simple touch of a button. SInce you are a Macan lover can you please help me on how to avoid instant charging when battery is below 25%?
Not in the Tesla M3 I've driven. That particular software version meant you couldn't configure it. One pedal driving is awful.
 

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I prefer Tesla which allow driver to decide if want regen breaking and for how much with a simple touch of a button. SInce you are a Macan lover can you please help me on how to avoid instant charging when battery is below 25%?
You decide nothing with a Tesla, you always need to keep the foot on the accelerator, I hated that on the Tesla. Turning OPD off and pressing the brake pedal on the Tesla you have ZERO regen … It’s mind blowing how people prefer this while any other ICE car or EV from other manufacturers just coast (coasting is the most efficient way and it was bothering me a lot I needed to keep my foot on the pedal with a Tesla, why??). So with the Porsche I have infinite more control on the regen / coasting and it behaves exactly the same as all my other brand cars + I can relax my foot on long drives …
For that second part if I do understand correctly you just program a departure time … the car will start charging to be full at the specified time, it will start charging immediately to figure out what power it has but will then pause and start charging to reach the desired level at departure time.
 

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I agree with those who prefer not having one pedal drive (OPD).
I have OPD in my BMW i4, by shifting the lever to B mode, but prefer driving in D mode as it coasts in D mode which is more efficient.
And it gets confusing shifting from B to D mode.
Traditional way of shifting the foot from accelerator to brake is far more convenient and natural.
 

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You decide nothing with a Tesla, you always need to keep the foot on the accelerator, I hated that on the Tesla. Turning OPD off and pressing the brake pedal on the Tesla you have ZERO regen … It’s mind blowing how people prefer this while any other ICE car or EV from other manufacturers just coast (coasting is the most efficient way and it was bothering me a lot I needed to keep my foot on the pedal with a Tesla, why??). So with the Porsche I have infinite more control on the regen / coasting and it behaves exactly the same as all my other brand cars + I can relax my foot on long drives …
For that second part if I do understand correctly you just program a departure time … the car will start charging to be full at the specified time, it will start charging immediately to figure out what power it has but will then pause and start charging to reach the desired level at departure time.
The key word you used here is “relax” I never felt relaxed driving my Tesla ..always playing with regen settings or foot tag between powering and brake to get a smooth acceleration/deceleration. When you think about it why should the driver need to deal with that at all? It’s distracting to a degree. Porsche lets the brakes take care of regeneration and I am fine with coasting with the amount of “drag” you get taking the foot off the accelerator. Feels more natural and well..relaxing. Admittedly having dedicated buttons contributes to more relaxed experience as I was never a fan of using a touch screen for basic functionality (like wiper speed, etc.)
 
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It’s mind blowing how people prefer this while any other ICE car or EV from other manufacturers just coast (coasting is the most efficient way and it was bothering me a lot I needed to keep my foot on the pedal with a Tesla, why??). So with the Porsche I have infinite more control on the regen / coasting and it behaves exactly the same as all my other brand cars + I can relax my foot on long drives …
I generally agree, but minor nit-pick:
Because the Macan uses 2 permanent-magnet synchronous motors instead of async motors (induction wound motors), it can't truly coast and loses a bit of efficiency. The feeling of coasting is software trickery. So long as the motor is spinning it, if you want it to feel like it is free-wheeling (coasting) you need to supply a charge to counteract the charge the motor would generate itself (the regenerative breaking). That's why some manufacturers have switched to async motors on at least one axel (so that axel can truly coast) or are looking at decoupling the motor from the wheels dynamically (search for DCU).
 

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I generally agree, but minor nit-pick:
Because the Macan uses 2 permanent-magnet synchronous motors instead of async motors (induction wound motors), it can't truly coast and loses a bit of efficiency. The feeling of coasting is software trickery. So long as the motor is spinning it, if you want it to feel like it is free-wheeling (coasting) you need to supply a charge to counteract the charge the motor would generate itself (the regenerative breaking). That's why some manufacturers have switched to async motors on at least one axel (so that axel can truly coast) or are looking at decoupling the motor from the wheels dynamically (search for DCU).
Correct, my iX really coasts, my Porsche always regen’s just a little bit, but it feels like coasting.
 
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How can you say Macan is far superior to Tesla? From technology stand point Tesla is far superior, try to get a message on your My Porsche app when your Macan finish to charge. Regenerative breaking on the Macan is a joke. The Macan is superior in confort period. Everything else is a joke. I drive a Macan 4S and Tesla M3P highland.
So you don’t feel a difference in steering handling or maneuvering?? You don’t feel a difference in luxury quality of materials and the build?? You don’t feel that rear based propulsion in the Macan compared to what I like to call block acceleration in the Tesla?? The steering feeling and feed back from the road is by itself enough to not only set both cars in completely different levels!!! I would say planets.
So if you have not felt or experienced the above that’s a huge problem and if you did and still hold your position i unfortunately speechless!!!! And have nothing more to say!!!!!
 
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Admittedly having dedicated buttons contributes to more relaxed experience as I was never a fan of using a touch screen for basic functionality (like wiper speed, etc.)
You can program the diamond button at the left to activate/deactivate Regen. I use it all the time. Easy!
 

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I prefer Tesla which allow driver to decide if want regen breaking and for how much with a simple touch of a button. SInce you are a Macan lover can you please help me on how to avoid instant charging when battery is below 25%?
don't plug in until you want to charge - simple.

in the mean time sell your Macan and go back to Tesla - easy.

if you don't like it don't keep it.

if you think Tesla is better - good for you!

Porsche's are what they are - rarely everyone's cup of tea - but they make the best cars on the road and track…

I've owned several Tesla's - never again - and I have 30+ years in the software business - I appreciate their advantages, but deplore their weaknesses…

Porsche makes different trade offs vs. other manufacturers - I'm more comfortable with Porsche's short falls than Tesla's…it's a choice

and we can all vote with our pocket books - obviously you made a bad personal choice, move on - I'm happy with my Macan Turbo, and when driving my Son's Model Y the other day I was deeply reminded why I bought the Macan and not the Y…numb steering, iffy brakes (once you're out of regen), terrible turning radius, no sunroof, lots of road noise, and no HUD and lots and lots of plastic…miss the excellent cargo room however, the Y is best in class in that aspect…

I'll take a Model 3/Y over most anything in it's price range - if you want an american made EV that is the best eV with tons of features and clever software, there is nothing on the market that can touch it - if you want a quiet cabin, excellent suspension, air ride, factory brakes that will last on a track more than 4 laps (true story, I worn out Tesla's factory brakes in 4 laps @ my local track - never been in a car with factory brakes that bad/unsafe - good thing regen works, because the brakes don't should you need them) - but there are things Tesla does not do: dash board, turn stalks, upscale interiors, brakes, HUD, sun roofs, quiet, air suspension, paint to sample, massage seats, seat choices, interior colors, hand holds, track worthy-ness etc…

so as a consumer I made an informed choice and bought the car that had the correct set of trade offs for my personal tastes - nothing is wrong with Tesla. But it's not a Porsche, and Porsche is not a Tesla - and thank god we have choices, because only having one or the other would be a sad sad sad state of affairs.

make the choice that is best for you.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/ele...ica-in-bombshell-car-safety-study/ar-AA1vgzVJ

the article above notes the problem is the population/demographic of driver's - not the car - but the people who drive it - that's fits and makes sense with what I've experienced, most people driving tesla's have never had that much acceleration/power -o cause it was out of their price range or availability - Tesla has pulled sports-car like behavior/performance down into the main stream - and the results are most driver's can't handle it - so far that's entirely consistent with data I'm observing - and consistent with people espousing Tesla's superiority on forums where they have no business making any commentary - I've driven more cars that most people, and driven those cars on track at speed - there are few if any brands that keep up with a stock porsche off the lot - and 99% of cars "off the lot" can't do track duty for more than a few laps - Tesla is by far the _WORST_ street car I've ever had on track - it's simply and factually awful, and not up to the task - that's ok it's optmized for efficiency and range, not robustness - it's a choice Tesla has made with their design which is the correct trade off - because to not hobble the range for 99.9% of their vehicles to have better track robustness for the 0.01% that will be tracked is the correct trade off for the product - but please don't tell me it's any good - because factually it's not - bring your Model 3 to my local track and watch me wear out the brakes in less than 15 miles (4 laps) and when you're flat-bedding it home, you can remind me how good it is again. I've never had a major production vehicle do as badly on track as my 2018 Model 3 performance - honestly it was horrible.

On the other hand I flogged a Macan Turbo @ PECATL for 90 minutes straight - full tilt - it never set of a foot wrong and it shrugged off the abuse and just kept working, and the brakes are still good, and this particluar Macan Turbo does this every day at PECATL for 4-6 hours of abuse…and it "just works'…the Tesla died on track in less than 12 minutes and had to be sent home on a flatbed, and the macan lasted on track more than 90 minutes and could come back for more…yeah I know which car is better. but you're welcome to be happy with your Tesla.
 
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I prefer Tesla which allow driver to decide if want regen breaking and for how much with a simple touch of a button. SInce you are a Macan lover can you please help me on how to avoid instant charging when battery is below 25%?
3 posts all of which are negative - 2 of the 3 from this thread - and only highlighting well known weaknesses/talking-points - joined just over a month ago…there is a pattern here

hmmmm - perhaps Troll?

but I could be wrong.

no meaningful contributions beyond thoughtless bashing. no balanced discussion or consideration of different perspectives…definitely lacking in contributions to the greater knowledge base…
 
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You can program the diamond button at the left to activate/deactivate Regen. I use it all the time. Easy!
So right now I have the diamond programed to toggle the 360 deg camera and I use it because auto on when you’re in a proximity situation is a bit fickle (I find comes on when you don’t want it and not when you want it). I wish they had a second programmable button. If fact I think they should repurpose the left hand voice button as I never use it (just call out “hey Porsche”to turn that on). You could choose to program it for voice but you could also program it for something else. Anyway I will try the regen as you have it just for fun.
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