Latest OutofSpec Dave review - not good

[Awaz]

FYI, Dave from O of S did a review of his wife’s baseline Macan, only rear wheel drive (not the 4) without rear steering or many of your options.

I'm pretty sure it was Macan 4

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[KombuchaBioleather]

Hi all
Was just trying to provide my honest assessment for each of the categories. This is a new process of reviewing cars using a format that I created. I really do love the car as does my wife. However It’s important to keep things real though on shortcomings that I see so we can encourage all manufacturers to improve. Happy to discuss all and perhaps we can do a follow up video with anyone interested in discussing /sharing your thoughts and feedback. I am just one owner providing my opinions and would be happy to share my platform with all of you to share your views too… thoughts?

If the scoring range is 0-X, then don't give negative number scores.

If your point is that you can get more bang for your buck by buying a Tesla, then you don't need to take an hour-plus to make it.

However, bang for your buck - at least relative to a Tesla M3 or Y - isn't really a concern for most Porsche buyers. Maybe you're targeting the general population who could be considering buying any similarly sized EV, but if so, you needn't bother reviewing Porsches. Maybe comparing Tesla M3 with the Ioniq 5/N or Mustang MachE would be more helpful for your target audience?

One thing that seems consistent on this forum is that nobody here seems to be wishing they had a Tesla instead of their Macan! I think most Porsche buyers would be far more interested in your analysis of the virtues of the MacanEV relative to comparable models from Jaguar, Range Rover, Mercedes, and BMW - maybe even Cadillac, Lexus and Acura.

And, finally, since it's your wife's car - maybe she should be the one giving the scores?

 

[Awaz]

I realize from a stop that the 4S and Turbo are faster, but honest question/discussion, what else am I losing out by not having a 4S or Turbo in terms of performance?

Not a lot!
I have the base Macan and feel the same way as you do. For my test drive it was Macan 4, but I felt no noticeable difference performance wise in the two. Same driving dynamics of a Porsche.
I understand some like neck-jerking acceleration of the faster models, but TBH, my passengers (including wife) hated it whenever I did that in my previous car. Whereas, it is much better linear acceleration in Macan.
Many owners and reviewers have been happy with ICE Mcan T, so I guess it's the same here. Good thing is Porsche gives a choice of such options.
Besides, getting more miles is a bonus

 

[alxman]

I'm pretty sure it was Macan 4

Shoot, I think you are right! My mistake.

 

[dgkhn]

Hi all
Was just trying to provide my honest assessment for each of the categories. This is a new process of reviewing cars using a format that I created. I really do love the car as does my wife. However It’s important to keep things real though on shortcomings that I see so we can encourage all manufacturers to improve. Happy to discuss all and perhaps we can do a follow up video with anyone interested in discussing /sharing your thoughts and feedback. I am just one owner providing my opinions and would be happy to share my platform with all of you to share your views too… thoughts?

Dave, as a general assessment, I think there are at least 5 issues here:
1. The relative value of your categories should be reviewed. For example, I think you might be undervaluing safety, ergonomics, and fun-to-drive.
2. Don't assign negative scores; that has the effect of overvaluing the category you assign the negative score to.
3. watching you assign the scores on the go, I think you need a less subjective rating system. Are you comparing the feature to some ideal car, or to a particular other car? For example: charging. Yes, right now,Porsches don't have access to Tesla infrastructure, but should that really drag the's score down so much when presumably Porsche is in line for access? Meanwhile, it's one of the best charging cars available in the US. Similarly, ergonomics. Here's a car with wireless CarPlay, hard buttons and dials, a driver's instrument panel and available HUD. What's better?
4. You say you love the car, but your over all score is so low. Does that really make sense? Whatever it is you love, should somehow be reflected in the score. Most people on this forum love cars and love driving, and our experiences with these cars don't seem to match up with the score. There's something wrong there.
5. Including "value" in the scoring is confusing on several levels. We all know what these cars cost; if you reduce the score because of cost, then in effect you are double counting. Score it high or low, and then simply note its cost.

 

[Petzi]

Hi all
Was just trying to provide my honest assessment for each of the categories. This is a new process of reviewing cars using a format that I created. I really do love the car as does my wife. However It’s important to keep things real though on shortcomings that I see so we can encourage all manufacturers to improve. Happy to discuss all and perhaps we can do a follow up video with anyone interested in discussing /sharing your thoughts and feedback. I am just one owner providing my opinions and would be happy to share my platform with all of you to share your views too… thoughts?

i do not know, its probably just me, but i developed a deep distrust to anybody that starts a statement with „honest“ when talking about themselves.

 

[PanameraFrank]

@OutofSpecDave do you think we're all fools? I'm sorry but your responses on here seem to imply none of us have seen or read car reviews before. Maybe you haven't? Because objective ones don't sound like yours.

I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but enough is enough. Your content is clickbait and people shouldn't watch. You should do better or just focus on Tesla content.

 

[Deleted member 12493]

Alpre

Dave, as a general assessment, I think there are at least 5 issues here:
1. The relative value of your categories should be reviewed. For example, I think you might be undervaluing safety, ergonomics, and fun-to-drive.
2. Don't assign negative scores; that has the effect of overvaluing the category you assign the negative score to.
3. watching you assign the scores on the go, I think you need a less subjective rating system. Are you comparing the feature to some ideal car, or to a particular other car? For example: charging. Yes, right now,Porsches don't have access to Tesla infrastructure, but should that really drag the's score down so much when presumably Porsche is in line for access? Meanwhile, it's one of the best charging cars available in the US. Similarly, ergonomics. Here's a car with wireless CarPlay, hard buttons and dials, a driver's instrument panel and available HUD. What's better?
4. You say you love the car, but your over all score is so low. Does that really make sense? Whatever it is you love, should somehow be reflected in the score. Most people on this forum love cars and love driving, and our experiences with these cars don't seem to match up with the score. There's something wrong there.
5. Including "value" in the scoring is confusing on several levels. We all know what these cars cost; if you reduce the score because of cost, then in effect you are double counting. Score it high or low, and then simply note its cost.

xia

@OutofSpecDave do you think we're all fools? I'm sorry but your responses on here seem to imply none of us have seen or read car reviews before. Maybe you haven't? Because objective ones don't sound like yours.

Your content is clickbait and people shouldn't watch. You should do better or just focus on Tesla content.

thanks for your feedback

 

[JonoNZ]

Dave, as a general assessment, I think there are at least 5 issues here:
1. The relative value of your categories should be reviewed. For example, I think you might be undervaluing safety, ergonomics, and fun-to-drive.
2. Don't assign negative scores; that has the effect of overvaluing the category you assign the negative score to.
3. watching you assign the scores on the go, I think you need a less subjective rating system. Are you comparing the feature to some ideal car, or to a particular other car? For example: charging. Yes, right now,Porsches don't have access to Tesla infrastructure, but should that really drag the's score down so much when presumably Porsche is in line for access? Meanwhile, it's one of the best charging cars available in the US. Similarly, ergonomics. Here's a car with wireless CarPlay, hard buttons and dials, a driver's instrument panel and available HUD. What's better?
4. You say you love the car, but your over all score is so low. Does that really make sense? Whatever it is you love, should somehow be reflected in the score. Most people on this forum love cars and love driving, and our experiences with these cars don't seem to match up with the score. There's something wrong there.
5. Including "value" in the scoring is confusing on several levels. We all know what these cars cost; if you reduce the score because of cost, then in effect you are double counting. Score it high or low, and then simply note its cost.

Could not have said it better myself, nicely summarised and not emotive.

As I've said before, I really like Dave and his content, but I think he can take a lot from this excellent post. Maybe the score he ended up at is accurate, in which it's not sincere to say "he really likes the car", maybe it's just not for him, or more likely some of the things that really do make him like it simply are not reflected in the scoring?

 

[dgkhn]

thanks for your feedback

Dave,
Here is what I think (if I may). I really enjoy your informal content. A perfect example is your cross country drive after you picked up the Macan. I was especially interested in your ad-hoc charging experiences for instance. I think you are at your best when you're riffing along. It happens we are a similar age, and like you, I am a former Long Islander, who now lives in New England. (I also enjoyed your Vermont video.)

By developing a numeric scoring system, you are now placing a formal burden on yourself that maybe doesn't really suit your style. As long as you are presenting your subjective feelings, or reciting factoids you've learned along the way, all is good. But now you are superimposing your "feelings" onto a supposedly objective system, and I am not sure it works for you! Just my $.02, and possibly worth that much.

 

[Deleted member 12493]

Dave,
Here is what I think (if I may). I really enjoy your informal content. A perfect example is your cross country drive after you picked up the Macan. I was especially interested in your ad-hoc charging experiences for instance. I think you are at your best when you're riffing along. It happens we are a similar age, and like you, I am a former Long Islander, who now lives in New England. (I also enjoyed your Vermont video.)

By developing a numeric scoring system, you are now placing a formal burden on yourself that maybe doesn't really suit your style. As long as you are presenting your subjective feelings, or reciting factoids you've learned along the way, all is good. But now you are superimposing your "feelings" onto a supposedly objective system, and I am not sure it works for you! Just my $.02, and possibly worth that much.

Thanks my friend I really appreciate this kind observation

 

[evdriver2016]

By developing a numeric scoring system, you are now placing a formal burden on yourself that maybe doesn't really suit your style.

Totally agree with this.

Trying to put a number value on someone's car that they feel passionate about and have a financial interest in, is a no win situation, that doesn't really fit the vibe of the channel.

 

[fubar.droid]

Scoring systems never work right. Ironically trying to be objective leads to being far more subjective. You need to summarize the review in a succinct manner and let the viewer decide if that's the right car for them or not. List the the pros and cons, any notably good and bad things, and a sentence about your overall opinion and either a recommendation or warning.

Don't try to give it a score, clearly it's not a good system.

 

[daveo4EV]

@OutofSpecDave ooph tough crowd - you're better man than I am taking all this "feedback" - tough gig no doubt - keep up the good work and continue to push for accuracy.

simple question: do you intend to keep the Macan? Or is it disappointing enough to move on to something else?

 

[Deleted member 12493]

@OutofSpecDave ooph tough crowd - you're better man than I am taking all this "feedback" - tough gig no doubt - keep up the good work and continue to push for accuracy.

simple question: do you intend to keep the Macan? Or is it disappointing enough to move on to something else?

Totally keeping it! We love it

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