New software version coming week 36 of 2025

[Sideline]

I may be in the minority here, but I am less concerned with a sw update to address minor annoyances that I’ve learned to live with, than I am about a sw update overwriting my settings and preferences that have taken some time to arrange. Given Porsche’s proven relative immaturity with sw in general, I am afraid any sw update will overwrite my preferences at the expense of a few updates for relatively minor issues. They’ve gotten much better at it over time, but remember when Apple first started releasing new iOS updates?

None of my preferences were overwritten. The only thing I lost was connection to my garage door opener (which took 30 seconds to remedy).

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[p34nuTT]

Is there a view on features going to be released ?

 

[FirstEV]

given historical Porsche updates (once a year) I understand your perspective and I'd normally be right there with you…

but week 36 is also approx. the week that they cut over model years - post summer shut down in germany when they start the assembly lines backup and beging producing the new model-year vehicle's - targeting Sept. 1st (week 36) "fits" the needs to support the new MY'vehicle's

I have no question the the software will be ready week 36 to begin loading it on MY'26 Macan's

the issue is how long will it take Porsche to publish/document/train service personal to install it and distribute it…

when my 2020 Taycan was moved to the "new" software (the most visible changes of which were color icons and wireless carplay support) it was post week 36 of 2020 (to support the newly released MY'2021 Taycan's) - but it took quite a bit longer to trickle out to the dealership-service-update procedures, but the software was in the 2021 Taycan's right on time…April of 2021 the 2019/2020 Taycan's were being updated to parity with the software package for the MY'2021 Taycans (which were available starting in Sept/Oct of 2020)…

this also lines up pretty well with Porsche history - ship the 2019/2020 Vehicle's (Taycan in this case) starting in Oct. of 2019 - then about 18 months later you get the the "small bump" improvements (MY'2021 vehicle's) with shipping beginning Sept/Oct of 2020 - and then Porsche chose to retrofit the 2021 software back to the 2019/2020 Taycan's…

does this pattern look familiar here?

this all fits when you look at manufacutring schedules:

MY'2026 Vehicles will be produced: Sept. 2025 -> July 2026 - August is summer shutdown/cutover/update/maintenance for the assembly lines and then the next MY cut over's occur…also the factory where they Produce the macan EV also makes the Macan ICE, and Panamera's

also if this _IS_ the MY'2026 software package - it's already 80-90% complete and this point and the feature set is "locked/loaded" and they are testing/debugging and driving test-mules around with it already installed to flush out any remaining issues - they also need to submit vehicle's with sofware installed to various regulatory testing agencies to get it approved for release…

Week 36 makes perfect sense to me - but it would be unsurprising if the "retrofit" process (most likely dealer service visit based) takes a while to become available to previous generation Macan EV's…

my bet is this is the software for MY'26 vehicle's and Porsche is planning to provide the update to MY'24/MY'25 vehicle's - software will be ready on time, but distribution will be subject to technical process delay's.

at my previous job doing commerical/consumer software for 30+ years - there were many many releases and many many schedules - it was accepted wisdom that if you wanted your software product/project to ship "on time" associate it to a hardware/revenue release schedule - because that way the software "can't be late" with out impacting hardware/revenue…this software will be released "on time" - the question is how long will take Porsche to document/test the update process for 2024/2025 Macans…but the 2026 Macan's will be rolling demonstrators of the improvements.

Porsche did a pretty good job of actually documenting the changes for the 2020 Taycan's software update - it's the closest they've done for release notes that I've ever seen - I hope they do the same for this update if it happens…

I'm hoping for:

• bug fixes
• north american supercharger support
• native port NACS plug support
• battery % @ destination in the HUD
• more OTA enhancements for future
• more stable wireless carplay
• phone as a key support

we'll see how this plays out - but the "release" schedule makes perfect sense to me given how Porsche operates the realities of their manufacturing process/schedule.

I am responding to this now just to say that you were so on point it actually amazed me. Now there are rumors that they are afraid of giving on the audit ware update so they are limiting it to when the MY26 cars are produced to beta test them. After that they might start slowing giving it out to MY24-25 which might be in 3-6 months. What do you think?

apparently they ARE expecting more issues with the software update as well.

 

[daveo4EV]

I am responding to this now just to say that you were so on point it actually amazed me. Now there are rumors that they are afraid of giving on the audit ware update so they are limiting it to when the MY26 cars are produced to beta test them. After that they might start slowing giving it out to MY24-25 which might be in 3-6 months. What do you think?

apparently they ARE expecting more issues with the software update as well.

it's a coin flip in my opinion as to what if any elements (some or all) Porsche decides to package and retrofit into MY'24/25 vehicles - they don't have to do anything here - there is no requirement for the MY'26 software package to come back to previous MY's…

the question that I can't answer is what would be driving a software update package/process?

• fixing major bugs?
• customer satisfaction?
• covering their asses?
• PR image
• appearance of modern?
• simplification of support issues between MY's?

only internal discussion and confidential information and detailed knowledge of actual differences can answer this question - which we all lack…

I have no idea what will actually happen, because it could be many things, up to an including "northing" or "the entire package" - only Porsche can know what they have planned for MY'24/25 software updates - and like all plans subject to change until they pull the trigger…

we will have to wait and see - at the moment I do not perceived a "driving issue" that would force their hand (but internal documents may also illuminate issues we don't generally know about).

it's not free for them to do this - so it will only be done if there is some upside articulated that worth the effort and dealer visits…it's actually quite costly for them to do this. So yeah - we have no idea

and BTW: neither does your sales guy and/or dealer - it's _ALL_ speculation until there is a published tech bulletin or press release - it might be well intentioned speculation - but until Porche Germany says "yes" it's service/sales guy BS…

show me the tech bulletin/service-guidance document then I'll believe you.

 

[FirstEV]

it's a coin flip in my opinion as to what if any elements (some or all) Porsche decides to package and retrofit into MY'24/25 vehicles - they don't have to do anything here - there is no requirement for the MY'26 software package to come back to previous MY's…

the question that I can't answer is what would be driving a software update package/process?

• fixing major bugs?
• customer satisfaction?
• covering their asses?
• PR image
• appearance of modern?
• simplification of support issues between MY's?

only internal discussion and confidential information and detailed knowledge of actual differences can answer this question - which we all lack…

I have no idea what will actually happen, because it could be many things, up to an including "northing" or "the entire package" - only Porsche can know what they have planned for MY'24/25 software updates - and like all plans subject to change until they pull the trigger…

we will have to wait and see - at the moment I do not perceived a "driving issue" that would force their hand (but internal documents may also illuminate issues we don't generally know about).

it's not free for them to do this - so it will only be done if there is some upside articulated that worth the effort and dealer visits…it's actually quite costly for them to do this. So yeah - we have no idea

and BTW: neither does your sales guy and/or dealer - it's _ALL_ speculation until there is a published tech bulletin or press release - it might be well intentioned speculation - but until Porche Germany says "yes" it's service/sales guy BS…

show me the tech bulletin/service-guidance document then I'll believe you.

Yeah, I totally agree with you. It shows that all that the dealers are saying is a whole lot of nothing. They said ”someone might of said November” but it is basically postponed indefinitely and as 100% true as their supposed 36 week update.

My main issue is that the only possibility for me to actually se if my car is able to be repurchased is if it gets the software update and then gets any more faults. And when it is delayed inevitably it’ll be harder. Which in a legal sense is only good for me, so I’d like it to be postponed due to it being in the shop again for almost 4 months.

 

[daveo4EV]

Yeah, I totally agree with you. It shows that all that the dealers are saying is a whole lot of nothing. They said ”someone might of said November” but it is basically postponed indefinitely and as 100% true as their supposed 36 week update.

My main issue is that the only possibility for me to actually se if my car is able to be repurchased is if it gets the software update and then gets any more faults. And when it is delayed inevitably it’ll be harder. Which in a legal sense is only good for me, so I’d like it to be postponed due to it being in the shop again for almost 4 months.

you should DM me - reference "lets talk porsche"

 

[Briboynyc]

Would be nice this latest update (whenever the service centers get it) can truly allow OTA updates like Rivian, Tesla, Polestar and Lucid. Coming from a lucid its very disappointing that Porsche cannot accomplish this

 

[daveo4EV]

Would be nice this latest update (whenever the service centers get it) can truly allow OTA updates like Rivian, Tesla, Polestar and Lucid. Coming from a lucid its very disappointing that Porsche cannot accomplish this

this is very unlikely if not impossible - the vehicle is simply not assembled or provisioned correctly for those types of updates - Tesla, Lucid, Rivian all built their vehicle's from scratch with OTA updates in mind - the existing supply chain that VW/Audi/Porsche (others) use is not technically built to allow that type of whole sale replacement of software…it's simply unrealistic to expect that level of software sophistication from Porsche until they change their ways…

some interesting articles (among many):

• VW "invests" billions in Rivian for access to their software platform - https://rivian.com/newsroom/article/rivian-and-volkswagen-group-announce-plans-for-joint-venture
• VW is going to use a Rivian designed platform as the basis of future VW vehicles - https://www.autoguide.com/auto/manu...uture-volkswagen-evs-will-be-rivians-44621182
• Ford CEO explains the existing supply chain and all the embedded software he's not allowed to touch - https://www.thedrive.com/news/ford-...-automakers-take-forever-to-issue-ota-updates

further consideration - read the "fact" below and chew on that for a bit…

VW/Audi/Porsche do not own all of the software embedded in their components. If you want to change the software in brake controller for example. You must first own the rights to that software. The software embedded in a brake controller is not owned by Porsche, it's owned by say Brembo or Bosche and delivered as a "sealed" element of the entire brake controller widget. Vw/Audi/Porsche has to negotiate with Brembo/Bosche to get any software changes to the brake controller (since they do not own the Intellectual property (IP) embeddeed inside the brake controller) - Now multiply this problem by 100's of embedded components, and you should start to see the problem with _ANY_ updates to this complex set of components, and OTA updates - well that's just ROFL…

to update software you must first own the rights to all the software you want to update…

if you want a modern software based vehicle, purchase one from a modern software based vehicle manufacturer.

VW/Audi/Porsche's supply chain simply do not support such a system - and their entire way of doing business is based on this pre-existing supply chain and how it's structured. Tesla/Lucid/Rivian can do it because they built their vehicles from day one and did not source components from the existing world wide automotive supply chain - many laughed at them for this approach - they have a different perspective now…

I would expect it will be 2028 Model years or later before VW has this level of software…purchased from Rivian - which for one owns all the software they place in their vehicle…and know how to update it.

BMW undestands this - and their Heart of Joy in the forth coming iX vehicle line is being sold as a "revolution" in performance. When in fact it's simply a consolidation of what used to be several hundred separate components. HINT: it's also a consolidation of many separate systems each with their own software into one systems with one set of software…

BMW iX Heart of Joy

This all-electric SUV features the BMW Heart of Joy, an innovative central control unit for Neue Klasse vehicles, the 2027 BMW iX3 integrates drivetrain, braking, and recuperation into one single system. Paired with BMW’s Dynamic Performance Control system, this makes for the most responsive, efficient, and precise BMW driving experience yet. The purely modern iX3 experience continues with new BMW Panoramic Vision, which projects key content directly on the lower section of the windshield.

it's easier to update software when it's all in one place physically in the vehicle - and it also helps if you "own" the IP to all of this software - which means you have to either have purchased the IP rights, or written it yourself…

 

[Dragon Tourniquet]

this is very unlikely if not impossible - the vehicle is simply not assembled or provisioned correctly for those types of updates - Tesla, Lucid, Rivian all built their vehicle's from scratch with OTA updates in mind - the existing supply chain that VW/Audi/Porsche (others) use is not technically built to allow that type of whole sale replacement of software…it's simply unrealistic to expect that level of software sophistication from Porsche until they change their ways…

I'll agree with unlikely, but not impossible. If they wanted to Porsche could setup the AAOS system so it acts as if it was PIWIS, and then once AAOS is updated, it could then in turn update each of the components. It could also be setup to use the built-in LTE connection to to authorize and sign the changes from Porsche's computers. Nowhere close to as clean as Tesla, but entirely doable.

 

[daveo4EV]

I'll agree with unlikely, but not impossible. If they wanted to Porsche could setup the AAOS system so it acts as if it was PIWIS, and then once AAOS is updated, it could then in turn update each of the components. It could also be setup to use the built-in LTE connection to to authorize and sign the changes from Porsche's computers. Nowhere close to as clean as Tesla, but entirely doable.

and the 12v external power supply to keep the systems alive during the update process?

all current shop based updates are quite adamant about a high quality external 12v power supply to keep from bricking the car during updates!

on current product it is impossible and beyond reasonable effort for porsche to do customer based updates. - it requires a shop level effort

 

[Sirium]

My previous MY22 Range Rover Evoque had numerous successful SOTA updates over the years. And that car is not known to be that software technologically sound. It had amazing reliability though and never broke on me but has a bad reputation about reliability. Reading the forums here, one would think porsche's reliability is just as bad

 

[Powerdoc]

I was supposed to get my hands on my 4S saturday, but it was postponed because of a software upadate. It's an official Porsche recall, without the new update, there is no warranty
Software update seems to be complicated for Porsche . I don't understand why it's so long and complicated even for my dealer.
I will wait two weeks more. I expect this update will fix most of the bugs listed in this forum.

 

[alvaro]

I was supposed to get my hands on my 4S saturday, but it was postponed because of a software upadate. It's an official Porsche recall, without the new update, there is no warranty
Software update seems to be complicated for Porsche . I don't understand why it's so long and complicated even for my dealer.
I will wait two weeks more. I expect this update will fix most of the bugs listed in this forum.

This happened when I picked up a ‘25 Turbo last November. It was new, they really didn’t understand how to update it, and it took about a week. I think they attempted to download the packages over a slower connection (maybe the vehicles itself?) and it kept failing. I believe they did it manually with a local storage device.

 

[Powerdoc]

Thanks for the input
I find it strange that almost one year later, it's still complicated to made an update.

 

[daveo4EV]

Thanks for the input
I find it strange that almost one year later, it's still complicated to made an update.

it will remain that way for the life of this generation of products - fundamental changes are required to make any software update of Porsche products "simpler" and more reliable…

fundamentally Porsche is shipping EV's with ICE design roots - that's not a path forward to the future - which Porsche is now retreated and returning to the past…

at least we'll always have the 911 (hopefully).

A new vehicle architecture is required to 'fix' this problem - that will be a new generation of products not yet announced - or maybe never to be announced…but this is not it if you want modern software update flexibility.

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