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Thanks, I looked, I haven't compared the specs to my 'desired' spec, but there certainly seems like a bit of choice for new cars coming, especially 7 GTS and 7 Turbo, only 1 4S!

Is it possible to determine the availability date of these, or is that just 'soon' as they are listed?
I think most of those GTS state availability from Feb 2026. I can believe that since mine landed in the UK last week and I suspect is part of a first batch, and will be making their way to dealers shortly.
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Thanks, I looked, I haven't compared the specs to my 'desired' spec, but there certainly seems like a bit of choice for new cars coming, especially 7 GTS and 7 Turbo, only 1 4S!

Is it possible to determine the availability date of these, or is that just 'soon' as they are listed?
Most are Feb’26 availability. Open one and it should tell you.
 
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Macan EV sales were hardly a disaster at over 45,000 units. Not as many as Porsche hoped for sure, and yes they are backpedling on their decision to not make ICE Macans, but still a good number for last year.
 


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I think this data tells us a lot about where this company is heading.

Overall deliveries fell 10% with some models (Taycan) and some markets (China) dropped by 20-30%. It's the steepest annual decline in about 16 years and it shows Porsche is rapidly loosing ground.

Weak China demand is an industry wide trend and it's not unique to Porsche but if you believe future is electric, what happens in China shows where the market is going - and this direction is less depended on brand value, but real product value you get for your money. Which is a problem for all premium brands - the logo will not be enough, they have to nail the product and deliver what customers expect.

Macan EV did not replace the ICE as intended, the demand for it is roughly 50% of what ICE Macan had in the past. It's good or bad depending on how you look at it.

It all comes down to this - either Porsche nails its EVs (which I think they will) and adjusts the value proposition to the current market reality (which I doubt they will) or they will become a very niche brands selling more and more expensive 911s to smaller and smaller target group.

PS Taycan should have been Porsche’s EV flagship, proof that Porsche can do EVs better than anyone. While it's a fantastic car and my next one, it's getting squeezed by brutal value attack (like Xiaomi SU7 and others) and shows badge + chassis feel alone is not enough anymore.
I might be wrong, but I least where I live the Taycan has a Range problem and both EV have a size problem. May not be a problem in most regions, but Europe is full of small towns, closed corners, narrow neighbourhoods and steep slopes. We NEED smaller cars from outside.
Porsche EV also are behind in features, what most cars come by default you have to pay on a car which doesn't do that much better. They will learn that in the following years.
Also in technology, they can't innovate because they aren't prepared, they depend on AUDI / VW to develop their platforms which end up being modified versions of AUDI (Q6) or the next generation of Porsche EV which will be the electric Audi seen some months ago with some changes.
They need to work on actual torque vectorying (not that shitty implementation), the software information: instant consumtions, graphics, SOC, SOH, cell information, temperatures, etc. just look at an Nissan or Hyunday N to see what is to REPORT THE STATUS OF THE CAR) How data is presented: completely outdated, unconsistent and pathetic GUI: just an example represeting the charge of the car inside a "green" AA cell shaped is simply pathetic, the battery temperature gauge is a non-sense in shape and functionality. The blinking icons in the dash when you disable some features, the size of the UI elements, the redundant information. NOBODY IS THINKING THERE IN CARS JUST IN POWERPOINTS AND SELLS.
 

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Thanks! I was wondering how 2025 sales went. Would be interesting to know the Macan EV sales by region. I have yet to see another one on the road near me in Pennsylvania
I saw my first one in Florida yesterday, but it was a dealer loaner. I saw quite a few in Spain and France in 2025.
 

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I have yet to see another Macan EV in Phoenix, but I did see a Fiskar Ocean today. That is a unicorn. That owner is screwed. 😆
 

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Porsche EV also are behind in features, what most cars come by default you have to pay on a car which doesn't do that much better.
This has always been the case for luxury brands, especially German brands. This is how Mercedes let Lexus onto the market -- Lexus just included all the cheap-to-make extras that were a Mercedes cash cow, and consumers flocked to them in droves. Over time, they increase prices to match, but at that point, they were an established brand people trusted.

Look at the end configuration and end cost. Are those the features and the experience you want, at a price you can swallow paying? If so, buy the car. If not, shop elsewhere. Seems like enough people shopped at Porsche in 2025 that they didn't have a long backlog of cars outside the factories, unlike some other EV producers ...
 

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Porsche aren’t the only ‘prestige’ manufacturing having to rethink the EV policy. Jaguar closed production of all cars to launch their new wholly EV range. They recently quietly let it be known that they are exploring a hybrid which will be a range extender (REEV) as it will have a very small ICE To charge the battery to a potential range of 600 miles.
 


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This has always been the case for luxury brands, especially German brands. This is how Mercedes let Lexus onto the market -- Lexus just included all the cheap-to-make extras that were a Mercedes cash cow, and consumers flocked to them in droves. Over time, they increase prices to match, but at that point, they were an established brand people trusted.

Look at the end configuration and end cost. Are those the features and the experience you want, at a price you can swallow paying? If so, buy the car. If not, shop elsewhere. Seems like enough people shopped at Porsche in 2025 that they didn't have a long backlog of cars outside the factories, unlike some other EV producers ...
Its true what you say, my point is about the strategy (that used to work) but isnt working with EVs as they expected, mercedes included. Mercedes packs extras in cheaper sets btw even for the EQs, they also have the rear steering as a post-subscription though. Mercedes software is in pair with asian constructors, a little bit old fashined design, but with lots of stuff.

I think their strategy its wrong in the sense both used to provide something unique: their ICE motors, their construction quality, their driving dynamics and a general sense of quality.
Now: cheaper brands (mazda f.e.) offer similar cabin finish-qualities than most mercedes, VW including porsche: look under the MACAN seat to see how cheap it feels and is.
Their batteries are chinese batteries, their BMS oems, their motors from audi, their software is crap. The band is narrowing and everybody can feel it, thats all I'm saying.
I'm glad that the Macan sold well, and I wish It sold super-well and I wish european brands were the top notch from luxury to non-luxury on the EV and hybrid markets, but they are not and don't seem to be aware of what "early adopters" expect from an EV.

Given the current context of EVs and all the rumors surrounding VW group, I thought Macan would not sell at all, but it did better than most people is saying and many EV-haters expected.

And as in any other car now their best (and only) advertisment is us: happy or not happy customers.
 

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The band is narrowing and everybody can feel it, thats all I'm saying.
You're not wrong! Automation, materials science, and electronics are getting to the point where the difference between brands will be shallower, and durability is only seen five or ten years in, when cheap electronics will start failing. I have no idea whether VAG chose high quality or lowest bidder for the electronics in the Macan, BTW.

Tuning a suspension is still somewhat of an art, and deciding to spend to cost and space on multi-arm linkages instead of struts is a design choice that anyone CAN make, but experience still decides how well it'll come out, at least in the beginning.

Apart from that, very soon, cars will be sold on whether they can get you home safely when you stumble drunk out of the pub, and it doesn't look like VAG is anywhere near the forefront of that race. They managed to sabotage their own internal attempt to reinvent their software in CARIAD, and they still keep everything closed, which will end up being a mistake I think.

So, armchair quarterbacking on "what *should* be done" I think we can find a lot of things to agree on. But, in the end, what happens on dealer lots this month is what matters this month...
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