[Poll] - Cayenne EV first Porsche with Native NACS port?

[daveo4EV]

Cayenne EV is trickling out - we know active suspension (yeah!!!!) - great performance

but this is the first "new" EV post NACS transition plans…

will this be the first EV in Porsche's North American line up w/Native NACS port(s)??

vote now because it matters…so so much.

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[CandianPorsche83]

will this be the first EV in Porsche's North American line up w/Native NACS port(s)??

vote now because it matters…so so much.

Sounds like it according to Car and Driver

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a65810736/2026-porsche-cayenne-electric-prototype-drive/

"Porsche promises a 10-to-80 percent charge time of just 16 minutes for the Cayenne's 108-kWh pack, and this will be the first Porsche EV with a NACS charge port"

 

[sor]

Still skeptical they will go NACS before there are options to charge other than Superchargers. However it will be telling if we finally see them launch supercharger access. That at least seems imminent.

I guess Ionna is making some headway.

 

[daveo4EV]

Still skeptical they will go NACS before there are options to charge other than Superchargers. However it will be telling if we finally see them launch supercharger access. That at least seems imminent.

I guess Ionna is making some headway.

NACS is only a North American thing…no changes that I'm aware of for other regions.

 

[sor]

NACS is only a North American thing…no changes that I'm aware of for other regions.

Yeah, of course. What am I missing?

 

[daveo4EV]

Yeah, of course. What am I missing?

NACS is the future - adapters will bridge any gaps - and regardless of "native" port type on any EV you'll need adapters because the infrastructure is mixed and won't change over night…

NACS native EV's need J-1772 and CCS1 adapters
J-1772 native EV's need a NACS slow charging adapter
CCS1 native EV's need a NACS fast charging adapter…

 

[sor]

NACS is the future - adapters will bridge any gaps - and regardless of "native" port type on any EV you'll need adapters because the infrastructure is mixed and won't change over night…

NACS native EV's need J-1772 and CCS1 adapters
J-1772 native EV's need a NACS slow charging adapter
CCS1 native EV's need a NACS fast charging adapter…

Yes, I just didn’t understand the comment about regions. I didn’t mention any other regions.

Agreed we will be in adapter hell for a long time. I just think it’s a big leap of faith and putting a lot of power in Tesla’s hands to launch a car that can realistically only natively charge on Tesla in NA. You don’t want to launch a car and immediately always have to use an adapter. Especially with VAG owning a network you’d think they’d want their own network ready.

I am biased by personal preference.
I want NACS but not until I can actually charge *somewhere* other than home or Supercharger network without the hassle of an adapter - there is no place to charge on my freeway routes.

Things are changing but slowly.

 

[daveo4EV]

Yes, I just didn’t understand the comment about regions. I didn’t mention any other regions.

Agreed we will be in adapter hell for a long time. I just think it’s a big leap of faith and putting a lot of power in Tesla’s hands to launch a car that can realistically only natively charge on Tesla in NA. You don’t want to launch a car and immediately always have to use an adapter. Especially with VAG owning a network you’d think they’d want their own network ready.

I am biased by personal preference.
I want NACS but not until I can actually charge *somewhere* other than home or Supercharger network without the hassle of an adapter - there is no place to charge on my freeway routes.

Things are changing but slowly.

yeah I guess I was confused because your location flag is not North America in your forum profile.

there is no announced changes to any other regions for native charge port on EV's

this is also not a surprise - VW announced their intention to follow the rest of the automotive world into the NACS standard in Dec. of 2023 (at that point they were nearly the last to this NACS party in the industry and you could "feel" their hatred for the need to do this) - all VW/Audi/Porsche EV's will be "native" NACS probably by 2028 or sooner…https://media.vw.com/releases/1774

all North American EV's will come with NACS native and many are already there: Ford, GM, Hyundia, Honda/Acura, Toyota…

NACS is North American only - EU EV's will continue to use their CCS2 native charging ports and cords - similar for China, AUS, Japan and so on and so forth - Only US, Canadian, Mexico? Porsche's will have NACS charging ports native on the vehicles.

the trend is for all North American EV's to have NACS native charging ports on the vehicle.

so yeah - Cayenne EV's will need to use an Adapter to charge at CCS FastDC stations and Cayenne will need a J-1772 adapter to use slower AC charging stations…Macan/Taycan EV owners need an adapter to use Tesla Superchargers - but Cayenne's will natively plug into supercharger and any other network that adds NACS charging cords to their charging stations…

EA has announced plans to have native NACS charging cords at their stations - https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pilot-stations/
ChargePoint has announced plans to have native NACS cords at their stations - https://www.convenience.org/Media/Daily/2023/October/23/4-ChargePoint-NACS-EV-Charger-Support_EV
EVGo has announced (and already has in some cases) native NACS cords at their stations - https://www.evgo.com/press-release/evgo-announces-plans-to-expand-nacs-deployments/
Other North American Charging networks I would assume will follow suit

relying on Tesla in North America to fast charge your EV is in my opinion simply pragmatic - given the state of CCS networks (low stall count, low reliability) from a practical point of view the Tesla Supercharger network is the only effective and reliable CCS network in North America…4 stall EA charging sites on hwy ### with 2 or 3 of the stalls showing the "unavailable" screen is not an effective charging network…

NOTE: that is the current state of two of the 4 stations at my local EA site near Santa Cruz, CA - and it's largely been this way since the opening of the site in Nov. of 2022 - never the same two however - and largely representative of the EA network as a whole.

NACS's superior design and ergonomics means it's the correct vector -but yeah we'll be stuck with adapters effectively indefinitely but over time will use them less and less as more commerical stations add/replace CCS cords with NACS cords - at which point CCS vehicles will need an adapter.

“When Doug Fields came to the company a year and a half ago, we started having this debate about the plug itself, whether this committee design plug is competitive with the Tesla plug. We all started having plug failures and we’ll run them over and they’re broken and all sorts of stuff happen. And it became really clear to all of us as leaders that’s (NACS) a better solution. It was engineered better. I hate to say it, but it was.

Since EA botched the roll out of their CCS network in North America the lasting impression from 2018 to 2023 was that you could not rely on CCS based charging infrastructure, while the Tesla Supercharger network was demonstrably more functional and proven to scale (many times with in eyesight of non-functional EA stations) - https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/reality-check-ford-ceo-struggles-to-charge-ev-during-road-trip/ - I know the site the Ford CEO had trouble at in California (Harris ranch) - he was probably sway'd into the Supercharger network while he toiled away at a non-functional 6 stall EA site - that has functionally 96 (yes 96!) Supercharger stalls with in eyesight of the 6 non-functional EA chargers…you can stand there on hold with EA customer support and simply watch Tesla's roll through the 96 functional stalls - charge and leave - all in the time it takes EA to reboot one of their non-functional 6 stalls at the same location. If I was standing there with my wife and 2 kids on a family vacation I know which of the two networks I'd want to be able to plug into…

NACS native EV should have the following two adapters (or similar)

• https://ev-lectron.com/products/lec...ast-charge-your-tesla-with-ccs-chargers-black - $110.99
• https://ev-lectron.com/products/lec...v-ac-compatible-with-sae-j1772-chargers-black - $36.99 - Tesla and Hyundai include this one with purchase - maybe other vendors also

J-1772/CCS1 native EV's should have the following two adapters (or simillar)

• https://ev-lectron.com/products/lec...0a-1-000v-compatible-with-tesla-superchargers - $194.99
• https://ev-lectron.com/products/lectron-tesla-to-j1772-ev-adapter-250v-80-amp - $149.99

Eventually there will be a tipping point where there are more NACS charging stations and then CCS1 vehicle's will need the adapter and NACS native EV's won't - unless they are using "legacy" non-upgraded infrastructure.

if you don't like the transition - you can thank EA for botching their first few years and setting back the North American EV adoption curve by at least 10 years vs. other regions where they have more reliable charging networks. EA by the way was funded as part of a legal consent decree with VW due to dieselgate…things that make you go "hmmmmm"

While the notion that VW purposely "botched" the EA network roll out in North America is an obvious and attractive conspiracy theory. I personally do not subscribe to it that it was "planned" failure. Rather I tend to substitute incompetence and a simple lack of understanding of what the goal was, along with an inefffective set of metrics in the consent decree (the decree only rewards number of sites "installed/open" but has no metrics for reliability) as the core reasons for EA's spectacular demonstration of civil engineering failure for an EV charging infrastructure…there was no overt conspiracy but few people if any had any motivation to make network this actually work - like the SAE CCS1 plug design itself I think it was all manifested in 2nd tier committees that all desperately wanted to believe this whole EV thing would "blow over" so really it doesn't matter since we'll be ripping it all out in the near future anyways.​

if EA's network had actually "worked" with any degree of reliability we wouldn't be here…

lately they are now in 2025 much better (but still lagging Tesla) but as we all know - too little too late - although they have finally got a clue that 4 stall stations is perhaps a bit too small as a "standard" site - https://chargedevs.com/newswire/ele...tall-ev-fast-charger-station-in-santa-monica/

“Our station in Santa Monica represents where EV charging is headed,” said President and CEO Robert Barrosa. “We’re focused on expanding where drivers need us most and building larger stations with more Hyper-Fast chargers. It’s about creating a network that works seamlessly for more people and powering their journeys across North America.”

this is where they needed to start - but good to see they are finally getting a bit of clue…

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