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There are so many threads I could use to post my experience, however I thought it would be a way better idea to introduce a new thread regarding the SoC readings and the associated battery actual SoC (not the same thing,unfortunately,as I recently realized!)Besides,this thread will most likely provide answers and explanations to so many of us and it would be applied to so many threads in regards to the same or related issues.
As I was completely fed up with what my SoC % was keep telling me about my range and battery which were completely out of place according to what I was getting from a charger and what the car system reported I actually got,I started to suspect the SoC % was completely false for unknown reason(s).It wasn't like this right from the start but rather gradually,charge after charge and use after use the remaining power inside my battery as reported by the % SoC became more and more unrelated to the actual remaining power inside the battery.I then started to monitor how many kWh a charger was delivering for a certain charging session and how much the car "thought" it was getting: For 50% according to the SoC % there were only just 31kWh of energy delivered by the charger.Wait...50% should normally be equal to 47,5kWh,not 31!!Where were the other 16,5kWh???Was still in the battery but somehow failed to be seen and reported by the SoC system?Additionally,whatever % reported by the SoC system was actually true or there was a chance the 80% was in fact 70 or 60 or even lower??I suspected the readings were all over the place and completely unreliable so I decided to perform the so called battery cells rebalancing or SoC% reset as I called it.
I drained the battery in driving sessions in a couple of days.Every time the reported remaining SoC was going up after a couple of hours the sessions ended:while driving went down to 11%,session ended,car parked.Couple of hours later it went up to 14%. Another driving session and went to 7%,session ended,car parked.A while later went up again to 11%!!Another session around my city block this time (turtle mode and all warnings about the reduced range were on) and car parked at 4%. From then on I decided trying to reduce even more what was remaining in the battery by using only power hungry features inside the car like maximum heating everywhere inside the cabin rather than driving to avoid surprises on the road as the reported remaining Km display was now just "--" (0). Even though it reached at 2% an hour later went up again to 4% so I realized there simply wasn't an easy way to get it so low and left it at that low 4% state for 24 hours.It showed exactly the same the next day when I plugged the car in (22kWh charger) with the charging slider all the way up to 100%. Normally I should get approx.91kWh (remaining 4%=3.8kWh,95-3,8=91,2kWh) in 8 hours 40min given an avg of 10.8kW/hour charging speed.This was the exact time I was getting from the car for the charging session to be completed.I though,o.k. that's a good sign,the car "knows" it must receive another 91kWh to top up up to 100%!!!
However,at some point I started to realize that the charging session will be completed way sooner than calculated (the SoC % was constantly showing considerably higher values from what it should) in fact it ended an hour sooner!!I got exactly 80.28kWh according to the charger.Another confusion as I did the math...!!!There must be another 10-11kWh,somewhere!!!But here is the car,saying SoC 100% range 400kM!!!
When I got back to the car couple of hours later I thought:Are you absolutely certain the car has topped its battery?Was there a chance the SoC % system to not represent the actual battery SoC?It certainly was,it shows completely falls readings in the low %,how we can be sure it doesn't do the same in the high %?!!?
Disconnected the plug and plugged it once more with the reading still show 100% SoC.Guess what...:It started a new session and kept going...!!!I though to my self,naahhh...it will not get more than a couple of dozens W and the session will soon be terminated.It didn't!!!!!It kept charging another 9,8kWh ABOVE what the car was reporting as 100%!!!The new charging session lasted for almost an hour,and in fact was the hour missed from the main session earlier!!Did the math again: 3,8kWh remaining SoC + 80,28kWh main charging session + 9,8kWh secondary session = almost 94kWh.Even there was still 1kWh missing I'm sure if I would plug the car again after a while or so I'll certainly get it but doesn't mind,it won't bother me much.At least not now I know what's going on here!!Car still shows 100% now but the range went up almost another 19% to 475Km!!!
What's going on here?Definitely the SoC % system for some unknown reason(s) gradually "detach" from the actual battery SoC and start to behave erratically showing completely irrelevant readings.As the problem remain undetected therefore unsolved the readings are getting even more inaccurate,lower than the real SoC in the lows and higher in the highest actual battery SoC.Seems the gap between the actual SoC and the indicated % is getting larger below 50% and in favor of lower indicated values and vice versa above 50-60%.As we constantly charge from around 25-30 to 70-80 the issue is getting even worse and in the end no one knows at what SoC we are when we start a charging session and at what SoC we end it.Fact is the reported 80%,90% or 100% are definitely NOT REAL therefore the car never has the amount of energy displayed by the SoC% reading.
I need to underline here that I don't think all cars are having the same issue,I'm sure most of them are behaving perfectly fine.But for some reason(s)yet to be discovered some cars start to behave that way.Maybe a problematic charging session?Who knows...Thing is the issue has at least "this solution" which can be performed by us without the need to visit a service center.Certainly a service center will perform the procedure way more completely, scientifically and professionally and also without the need to have to drive our cars at a such low indicated %SoC/0Km even if we still know there's still more energy in there that the one we see!!But at least we now know the energy is there even if we've been reported otherwise.As well as that it's highly likely that in most cases we get considerably less kWh when a charging session ends than what the car tell us it got.I simply don't know yet if I do the same after a charge ending at 80% for example there will be some more kWh to get in order to reach the actual/real 80% battery as I don't know if the "trick" will also work for lower SoC other than 100%.
I also wouldn't be so surprised if the SoC 1% reduction when the car remain parked has something to do with all of this!Maybe it's only phenomenal rather than real...!After all with such SoC indication system everything seems possible!!
Please excuse my lengthy post,I wanted to analyze as much as possible the procedure and my experience as well,I believe that many fellow owners will find some answers and hopefully a likelihood solution to this issue which appears to affect quite many of us in here!!
As I was completely fed up with what my SoC % was keep telling me about my range and battery which were completely out of place according to what I was getting from a charger and what the car system reported I actually got,I started to suspect the SoC % was completely false for unknown reason(s).It wasn't like this right from the start but rather gradually,charge after charge and use after use the remaining power inside my battery as reported by the % SoC became more and more unrelated to the actual remaining power inside the battery.I then started to monitor how many kWh a charger was delivering for a certain charging session and how much the car "thought" it was getting: For 50% according to the SoC % there were only just 31kWh of energy delivered by the charger.Wait...50% should normally be equal to 47,5kWh,not 31!!Where were the other 16,5kWh???Was still in the battery but somehow failed to be seen and reported by the SoC system?Additionally,whatever % reported by the SoC system was actually true or there was a chance the 80% was in fact 70 or 60 or even lower??I suspected the readings were all over the place and completely unreliable so I decided to perform the so called battery cells rebalancing or SoC% reset as I called it.
I drained the battery in driving sessions in a couple of days.Every time the reported remaining SoC was going up after a couple of hours the sessions ended:while driving went down to 11%,session ended,car parked.Couple of hours later it went up to 14%. Another driving session and went to 7%,session ended,car parked.A while later went up again to 11%!!Another session around my city block this time (turtle mode and all warnings about the reduced range were on) and car parked at 4%. From then on I decided trying to reduce even more what was remaining in the battery by using only power hungry features inside the car like maximum heating everywhere inside the cabin rather than driving to avoid surprises on the road as the reported remaining Km display was now just "--" (0). Even though it reached at 2% an hour later went up again to 4% so I realized there simply wasn't an easy way to get it so low and left it at that low 4% state for 24 hours.It showed exactly the same the next day when I plugged the car in (22kWh charger) with the charging slider all the way up to 100%. Normally I should get approx.91kWh (remaining 4%=3.8kWh,95-3,8=91,2kWh) in 8 hours 40min given an avg of 10.8kW/hour charging speed.This was the exact time I was getting from the car for the charging session to be completed.I though,o.k. that's a good sign,the car "knows" it must receive another 91kWh to top up up to 100%!!!
However,at some point I started to realize that the charging session will be completed way sooner than calculated (the SoC % was constantly showing considerably higher values from what it should) in fact it ended an hour sooner!!I got exactly 80.28kWh according to the charger.Another confusion as I did the math...!!!There must be another 10-11kWh,somewhere!!!But here is the car,saying SoC 100% range 400kM!!!
When I got back to the car couple of hours later I thought:Are you absolutely certain the car has topped its battery?Was there a chance the SoC % system to not represent the actual battery SoC?It certainly was,it shows completely falls readings in the low %,how we can be sure it doesn't do the same in the high %?!!?
Disconnected the plug and plugged it once more with the reading still show 100% SoC.Guess what...:It started a new session and kept going...!!!I though to my self,naahhh...it will not get more than a couple of dozens W and the session will soon be terminated.It didn't!!!!!It kept charging another 9,8kWh ABOVE what the car was reporting as 100%!!!The new charging session lasted for almost an hour,and in fact was the hour missed from the main session earlier!!Did the math again: 3,8kWh remaining SoC + 80,28kWh main charging session + 9,8kWh secondary session = almost 94kWh.Even there was still 1kWh missing I'm sure if I would plug the car again after a while or so I'll certainly get it but doesn't mind,it won't bother me much.At least not now I know what's going on here!!Car still shows 100% now but the range went up almost another 19% to 475Km!!!
What's going on here?Definitely the SoC % system for some unknown reason(s) gradually "detach" from the actual battery SoC and start to behave erratically showing completely irrelevant readings.As the problem remain undetected therefore unsolved the readings are getting even more inaccurate,lower than the real SoC in the lows and higher in the highest actual battery SoC.Seems the gap between the actual SoC and the indicated % is getting larger below 50% and in favor of lower indicated values and vice versa above 50-60%.As we constantly charge from around 25-30 to 70-80 the issue is getting even worse and in the end no one knows at what SoC we are when we start a charging session and at what SoC we end it.Fact is the reported 80%,90% or 100% are definitely NOT REAL therefore the car never has the amount of energy displayed by the SoC% reading.
I need to underline here that I don't think all cars are having the same issue,I'm sure most of them are behaving perfectly fine.But for some reason(s)yet to be discovered some cars start to behave that way.Maybe a problematic charging session?Who knows...Thing is the issue has at least "this solution" which can be performed by us without the need to visit a service center.Certainly a service center will perform the procedure way more completely, scientifically and professionally and also without the need to have to drive our cars at a such low indicated %SoC/0Km even if we still know there's still more energy in there that the one we see!!But at least we now know the energy is there even if we've been reported otherwise.As well as that it's highly likely that in most cases we get considerably less kWh when a charging session ends than what the car tell us it got.I simply don't know yet if I do the same after a charge ending at 80% for example there will be some more kWh to get in order to reach the actual/real 80% battery as I don't know if the "trick" will also work for lower SoC other than 100%.
I also wouldn't be so surprised if the SoC 1% reduction when the car remain parked has something to do with all of this!Maybe it's only phenomenal rather than real...!After all with such SoC indication system everything seems possible!!
Please excuse my lengthy post,I wanted to analyze as much as possible the procedure and my experience as well,I believe that many fellow owners will find some answers and hopefully a likelihood solution to this issue which appears to affect quite many of us in here!!
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