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hopelessly confused about 9.6 kW vs. 11 kW onboard charging - listing the MY 2026 Macan as having "both"
It is totally possible that the port on one side has the 9.6 kW, and the port on the other side (with the DC fast charge) can share DC circuitry and deliver 11 kw.
Which still is nothing compared to the 19 kW that US electric manufacturers are now offering ...
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You’re still importing the car so you still have to pay the tariff.
The way "euro delivery" works for US residents, is that a US vehicle counts as "used" after three months, whereas in the EU it counts as "export" if it exports within a year. Thus, you get it in Europe, drive around on vacation, park it on a boat and fly home, and more than three months after initial delivery, it shows up in the US.
Because it's an "export" there's no VAT in the EU, and because it's a "used vehicle purchase" there's no sales/use tax in the US. (Varies by state)
 

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The way "euro delivery" works for US residents, is that a US vehicle counts as "used" after three months, whereas in the EU it counts as "export" if it exports within a year. Thus, you get it in Europe, drive around on vacation, park it on a boat and fly home, and more than three months after initial delivery, it shows up in the US.
Because it's an "export" there's no VAT in the EU, and because it's a "used vehicle purchase" there's no sales/use tax in the US. (Varies by state)
this is not how the paperwork was structured when I purchased my 2023 911 GT3 RS for euro delivery - it's a new car purchase completed in North America with the car registered no differently than if you were buying it off the lot - it's simply a delivery location that is different that the dealership (no different than picking up a Macan EV in PECATL for a California resident). It is correct that there is no VAT - but you have to post the VAT as a deposit (refundable when you drop the car off for the shipment home - I showed the dealer my shipping paperwork and the VAT was promptly refunded)…

it's a new car purchase - with a delivery location that is not the dealership - anything else is a 'creative' management of various regulations and paperwork.
 

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Did anyone else notice that the 1 year of free EA charging is no longer showing? Likewise on the Taycan configurator, Porsche very quietly stopped that freebie!
 

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It is totally possible that the port on one side has the 9.6 kW, and the port on the other side (with the DC fast charge) can share DC circuitry and deliver 11 kw.
Which still is nothing compared to the 19 kW that US electric manufacturers are now offering ...
no it's not - there is only one onboard charger (and AC/DC converter - batteries are DC and you must have an AC to DC converter to handling the L1/L2 J-1772 AC EVSE input) - it doesnt' matter what side the AC power is flowing from - it all hits the "same" single OBC…

DC Charging is not a factor when you're charging via the OBC with a J-1772 L1/L2 AC EVSE…

porsche currently lists the Macan EV as having 2 separate OBC charging capacities…this is a long standing issue with North America and Porsche's confusion between the maximum charge rate of a mobile EVSE (9.6 kW) and the maximum charge rate of their OBC (sometimes 9.6 kW and sometimes 11 kW or 19.2/22 kW)

they constantly screw these stats up and have done so since the first website for the 2020 Taycan incorrectly listed a 9.6 kW OBC - when in fact the Taycan could charge at 11 kW just fine…
 


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Did anyone else notice that the 1 year of free EA charging is no longer showing? Likewise on the Taycan configurator, Porsche very quietly stopped that freebie!
yeah it was listed this morning but had an N/A tag on the information panel - I now notice it's completely absent…

shrink-flation…
 

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Regarding Porsche Digital Key:

My Macan 4s is on the boat just about to enter the port in Houston. The Porsche/Apple Digital Key option was not available when I ordered my Macan June 2nd.

I have 2 problems with this:

1. Digital keys don't require added hardware over what we currently have. Our Macans have Ultra Wideband and this is how digital phone-keys work. Why is Porsche charging to use the tech already embedded in our car? Other manufacturers consider this "value-add".

2. If it's not something we can unlock on our cars we have recently received or are pending delivery, that would be double-absurdity.

I'm going to reach out to my service center tomorrow about this. If my car which isn't even here yet, is unable to get this feature I have some thinking to do about my delivery. Volvo added this feature after cars were in customers hands. One day it was enabled for the people.

Phone-key and sharing digital keys is a wonderful feature and should be a no-pay feature on $120k cars.

I'm a bit miffed that Porsche is charging for this.
 
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My Macan 4s is on the boat just about to enter the port in Houston. The Porsche/Apple Digital Key was not available when I ordered my Macan June 2nd.

I have 2 problems with this:

1. This doesn't require added hardware. Our Porsches have Ultra Wideband and this is how Digital phone-keys work.

2. Why charge for this? Other manufacturers consider is "value-add".

3. If it's not something we can unlock on our cars we have recently received or are pending delivery, that would be absurdity.

I'm going to reach out to my service center tomorrow about this. If my car which isn't even here yet, is unable to get this feature I have some thinking to do about this. Phone-key and sharing digital keys is a wonderful feature and should be a no-pay feature on $120k cars.
#1 is reasonable speculation but you/I do not know for a fact the comfort-access hardware is 100% compliant for Digital Key - again reasonable speculation but hardly a concrete fact that the hardware is exactly what is needed

#2 Porsche charges for everything - it's their business model - there is lots of "software only" things they charge for - they are (or were) the most profitable car company not to long ago…how they charge for options that other's include is legendary

#3 there are differences between model years of all cars that Manufactures do not make available to previous year models - I'm not sure why this surprises you. (for example even though the capabilities of the Matrix headlights for partial illumination is now legal in North America Prosche has not announced any plans to make this available on previous models - even though with the right service hardware you can code the feature to "on" - Porsche has no plans to do this for any cost)

I'd personally love if this is made available - but the car you are receiving is exactly what Porsche promised you - and the next year model has more stuff that they will not offer "back" to previous year models…standard business practice for decades.
 

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#1 is reasonable speculation but you/I do not know for a fact the comfort-access hardware is 100% compliant for Digital Key - again reasonable speculation but hardly a concrete fact that the hardware is exactly what is needed

#2 Porsche charges for everything - it's their business model - there is lots of "software only" things they charge for - they are (or were) the most profitable car company not to long ago…how they charge for options that other's include is legendary

#3 there are differences between model years of all cars that Manufactures do not make available to previous year models - I'm not sure why this surprises you. (for example even though the capabilities of the Matrix headlights for partial illumination is now legal in North America Prosche has not announced any plans to make this available on previous models - even though with the right service hardware you can code the feature to "on" - Porsche has no plans to do this for any cost)

I'd personally love if this is made available - but the car you are receiving is exactly what Porsche promised you - and the next year model has more stuff that they will not offer "back" to previous year models…standard business practice for decades.

Our cars have all the UWB hardware to use digital keys. A software update may be needed to enable, but that's why we have OTA's.

As far as receiving exactly what porsche promised, the eventuality of a digital key has always pending. I was waiting to hear about the OTA update to enable/unlock this feature which is on $40k cars in the field.
 

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Our cars have all the UWB hardware to use digital keys. A software update may be needed to enable, but that's why we have OTA's
but is it actually the "correct" UWB hardware - there is a wide range of spec's in this space…

I've seen no effective demonstration of Porsche's ability to delivery any meaningful OTA updates for any of their vehicle's I've owned since 2008 - including my 2024 Macan and 2020 Taycan…

I highly doubt _IF_ Prosche offered the Digital key as a retrofit for MY 2024/2025 Macan EV's it would be via OTA…

my Macan is currently service and has been there for several days getting 3+ recalls all of which are software based that require dealer visit and local service technicians to baby-sit the software update…

Porsche OTA - ROFL
 


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Our cars have all the UWB hardware to use digital keys. A software update may be needed to enable, but that's why we have OTA's
but is it actually the "correct" UWB hardware - there is a wide range of spec's in this space…

If Porsche is THAT far behind the anticipatory curve, that's an entirely different discussion.

As I said I'll reach out to my current service advisor with whom I have a great relationship and report back here tomorrow.
 

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Regarding Porsche Digital Key:

My Macan 4s is on the boat just about to enter the port in Houston. The Porsche/Apple Digital Key option was not available when I ordered my Macan June 2nd.

I have 2 problems with this:

1. Digital keys don't require added hardware over what we currently have. Our Macans have Ultra Wideband and this is how digital phone-keys work. Why is Porsche charging to use the tech already embedded in our car? Other manufacturers consider this "value-add".

2. If it's not something we can unlock on our cars we have recently received or are pending delivery, that would be double-absurdity.

I'm going to reach out to my service center tomorrow about this. If my car which isn't even here yet, is unable to get this feature I have some thinking to do about my delivery. Volvo added this feature after cars were in customers hands. One day it was enabled for the people.

Phone-key and sharing digital keys is a wonderful feature and should be a no-pay feature on $120k cars.

I'm a bit miffed that Porsche is charging for this.
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Features change with model years, not all new features are given for free (or at all) to previous model years.
Whether the hardware is exactly the same between 2024, 2025 and 2026 is unknown at this point.
And the fact that some brands charge for features that others give for free...

Timing is unfortunate in your case, just like for this other forum member that just got his car yesterday and the new model year showed up today. It is what it is. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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Our cars have all the UWB hardware to use digital keys. A software update may be needed to enable, but that's why we have OTA's.

As far as receiving exactly what porsche promised, the eventuality of a digital key has always pending. I was waiting to hear about the OTA update to enable/unlock this feature which is on $40k cars in the field.
If Porsche is THAT far behind the curve, that's an entirely different discussion.

As I said I'll reach out to my current service advisor with whom I have a great relationship and report back here tomorrow.
the supply chain rarely delivers "more" than is requested/specified/qualified/tested…it's not being behind the curve - it's being specific and precise with what you put in the car - low cost component bidding rarely delivers more than requested…

and yeah - my experience with Porsche and other legacy car vendors is that they rarely have "more capability" than what they specify.

I'm not saying Prosche couldn't have provisioned Digital key level comfort-access hardware…I'm just saying based on past behaviors and likely outcomes they did not require/provision/specify Digital-Key level comfort-access hardware…and even if they did - they may not want to "qualify the previous model year vehicles" to have this capability…

I've worked with enough manufacturing people to know this stuff isn't as easy as it looks to the tech-savvy crowd…

I'll be first in line if Porsche offers a retro-fit - but I'm not holding my breath.
 

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I guess I've been too spoiled by RIvian, Tesla, and Volvo and their "we just added this handy feature. Enjoy!" practices.

Digital keys aren't some bizarre futuristic thing that is surprising Porsche. This tech was known by their engineers for years. Not including it on their new "bet the company" EV is a misstep.
 

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I guess I've been too spoiled by RIvian, Tesla, and Volvo and their "we just added this handy feature. Enjoy!" practices.
yes they are leading the industry - that is not how VW/Audi/Porsche do things "yet"…and is not historically how anyone "does" things…

watch this video it will help explain things…

https://www.thedrive.com/news/ford-...-automakers-take-forever-to-issue-ota-updates

Porsche does not "own" 99% of the software embedded in their vehicle - they have no legal right to update the software - and if they want "new" capabilities that is a "new part #" with a new spec with "new firmware" that must be negotiated with the part's supplier…it is then up to the vendor to decide how they deliver the new part to meet the new spec - to meet the contract price…that may or may not be the same hardware they previously shipped - and they are delivering a "widget" - even if the "old" widget could do the job - the part supplier may not choose to go that route and may deliver an entirely new widget that meets all the requirements old+new…

manufacturing with a complex and embedded and legacy supply chain is super complex and doesn't work the way you'd think it does - this has been a constant in my experience and observations…
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