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Just completed our first round-trip from our home north of Denver to Las Vegas in our Macan RWD we bought last month. We make this trip half a dozen times each year, usually in our Mustang Mach-E but sometimes in our previous ICE (Bronco Sport), so we have some good comparison points.

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23:14 h
1588.6 mi
2.8 mi/kWh
Speed: 68 mph

Weather was good the whole way, although a little windy in spots. I was a little surprised we didn't average 3+ MPK (mi/kWh). 2.8 is what we usually get in our Mach-E too. But the 315 EPA in the Macan is certainly better than the 270 EPA of our Mach-E (+17%). As well as the faster charging speed (when we could get on a full-power charger, which was rare).

The drive itself is 11.5 hours and 785 miles each way (per Google Maps). Add to that refueling time. In the ICE it's just 2 gas stops (2x15 minutes with bathroom). In the Mach-E it took 5x30 for DCFC. In the Macan it was 4x22. So basically right in the middle (0.5 hour ICE, 1.5 hour Macan, 2.5 hours Mach-E).

I could probably shave 20-30 minutes off that total with more dependable charging, but the EA stations are very mixed along that route. I only got full power at 2 of the 8 stops (Ivie Creek Rest Stop (UT) was the best at 270 kW for much of the session). Cedar City UT was terrible (62 kW on one and 94 kw on another, and a Kia was only getting 80). Grand Junction CO 350's (1 of 2 was down) were full both times but I did get 174 kW on the 150's.

When we get our Lucid Gravity in ~6 months we should be able to do the whole trip with just 2-3 stops. I thought we might be able to do it in 3 in the Macan but that's a stretch. Would have meant having to charge to 85-90% a few places, negating the time savings.

I know it's only a handful of minutes, but this drive is right on the cusp of being too much for us for one day. We don't like nighttime driving if we can avoid it. In the Mach-E we usually broke it into 1.5 days with a hotel stop. In fact we may do that anyway eastbound since we lose an hour rather than gain that direction. But westbound the Macan makes it a same-day drive by shaving an hour off.

I won't go into all the usual driving stuff and car quirks we talk about elsewhere, just more the road trip stuff. The finicky power charge port door hand open is just annoying enough to make me trying to get in the habit of pressing the button on the PCM "Goodbye" screen instead. Plug&Charge is working great at EA (as long as the charger is working right), so the timing is sufficient to hit that button, gran the EA and plug in, before the power door closes on you (doesn't stay open very long).

I normally use Android Auto and nav station to station, but the Macan doesn't seem to have the feature the Mach-E had to integrate AA with the car to show the arrival SOC%. So I tried the native nav. Seemed pretty accurate for arrival SOC%. Rarely moved more than 2%.

Overall it's a great road trip car. Just hope they get the software bugs fixed via OTA at some point (especially the flaky SiriusXM integration). We tried playing videos on the passenger screen to pass the time. YouTube works pretty well, but streaming video (like PlutoTV) thru that Vivaldi browser is a chore. Anyone know if there's any other apps we can download than show up in the car's app list? It's mostly just games.
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Strange.. I have a 4S and get better stats when I take long trips.. usually at least 3 mi/KwH. Mostly around 3.1 and I've gotten (rare but it does happens - up to 4 mi/KwH at lower speeds). My highway speeds are usually around 75 mph so I'm not sure why your RWD is not getting more. I would check that out. One of the YouTubers (SOC guy) did a 70mph test with the RWD up and down the Jersey turnpike and got much more than 3.. He managed to get 345 miles in total mileage from his 100% test.
 
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Strange.. I have a 4S and get better stats when I take long trips.. usually at least 3 mi/KwH. Mostly around 3.1 and I've gotten (rare but it does happens - up to 4 mi/KwH at lower speeds). My highway speeds are usually around 75 mph so I'm not sure why your RWD is not getting more. I would check that out. One of the YouTubers (SOC guy) did a 70mph test with the RWD up and down the Jersey turnpike and got much more than 3.. He managed to get 345 miles in total mileage from his 100% test.
Half of this drive is 80 MPH speed limit (where we often do 82), so I know we won't reach 70 MPH test efficiency. (Most of the rest is 75.) Even though the trip meter says we averaged 68, that's misleading. Counts all the little stuff at stops and around the city, parking garage, etc.

Tom Moloughney (the State of Charge YouTube guy) got 284 miles at 80 MPH (2.98 MPK) in that test, so that's closer. But still.

I do drive with pedal regen on all the time. I saw one post somewhere that said that significantly decreases efficiency, but that doesn't make much sense to me. Especially when using cruise control 98% of the time. I would think cruise control would supersede any pedal setting like that?
 

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Being Canadian I don’t know too much about the routes in question but elevation is the one thing I point to as having massive implications on range/efficiency (speed and weather aside)
Strange.. I have a 4S and get better stats when I take long trips.. usually at least 3 mi/KwH. Mostly around 3.1 and I've gotten (rare but it does happens - up to 4 mi/KwH at lower speeds). My highway speeds are usually around 75 mph so I'm not sure why your RWD is not getting more. I would check that out. One of the YouTubers (SOC guy) did a 70mph test with the RWD up and down the Jersey turnpike and got much more than 3.. He managed to get 345 miles in total mileage from his 100% test.
Being Canadian I don’t know too much about the routes in question but elevation is the one thing I point to as having massive implications on range/efficiency (speed and weather aside)
 
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Being Canadian I don’t know too much about the routes in question but elevation is the one thing I point to as having massive implications on range/efficiency (speed and weather aside)
Yes and no. It plays a big role between stations (when calculating the charge needed to drive a leg with big elevation difference between start and end.

But as long as it's an EV that uses efficient regen (which is pretty much all of them now), it's pretty much a wash when you start and end at the same elevation. What we use going up we get back coming down. The beauty of regen.

The CO mountains (where the big elevation changes are) are actually where we get the better mileage, because they also have slower speeds. It's the 80 MPH thru Utah that gets the worst mileage.
 


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Yes and no. It plays a big role between stations (when calculating the charge needed to drive a leg with big elevation difference between start and end.

But as long as it's an EV that uses efficient regen (which is pretty much all of them now), it's pretty much a wash when you start and end at the same elevation. What we use going up we get back coming down. The beauty of regen.

The CO mountains (where the big elevation changes are) are actually where we get the better mileage, because they also have slower speeds. It's the 80 MPH thru Utah that gets the worst mileage.
Right. I can't speak to how efficient the regen is (I'm not smart enough haha) I'm just saying that elevation is a factor when comparing consumption data between members to members and maybe helps explains the different numbers people are getting? Just a thought though. Speed is absolutely the number factor. I get that.

This was a good video that i watched a few months back. Not 100% sure its applicable to all vehicles especially newer ones like you said

 
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Right. I can't speak to how efficient the regen is (I'm not smart enough haha) I'm just saying that elevation is a factor when comparing consumption data between members to members and maybe helps explains the different numbers people are getting? Just a thought though. Speed is absolutely the number factor. I get that.

This was a good video that i watched a few months back. Not 100% sure its applicable to all vehicles especially newer ones like you said

Interesting video. That's a dramatic difference in that Polestar. Uncharacteristically dramatic from anything I've found or read. To the point where I gotta wonder if friction braking was going on, even though he said it wasn't?

I wondered too about the winding roads having more impact (tire resistance, ruined aero angles on the car, etc).

We've done a ton of mountain and flat driving in the last 4 years, and if anything, the mountains are usually better mileage (although as noted primarily from speed).

Curious.
 

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We go to Vegas often from SLC, I-15 has a decent number of stops. Especially when we get to consider superchargers for the Volvo.

I’m unreasonably excited that there is an Ionna stop going in at Beaver which would be on your route too coming off I-70.
 

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As for regen, will know soon enough. Whenever I go skiing it takes 15% charge to get there and 0% to get back - and it’s not all downhill on the way back. We usually gain some battery coming down the mountain and that’s enough to get home.

This has been the case for three different EVs so far. Maybe I’ll drive up in September when I get the car to see.
 
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We go to Vegas often from SLC, I-15 has a decent number of stops. Especially when we get to consider superchargers for the Volvo.

I’m unreasonably excited that there is an Ionna stop going in at Beaver which would be on your route too coming off I-70.
I saw that. We'll have the free year at EA to keep using in the Macan, and by then we should have our Gravity. At that point we might be able to do the whole trip in 2 Ionna stops (Fruita & Beaver). They're almost perfectly placed at the 1/3rd and 2/3rds distances. Although 273 miles from Fruita to Beaver at 80 MPH might be a tad much even for the Gravity on an 80% charge. The Ivie Creek EA station is a good one midway for a quick top-up if needed.
 


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Just competed another trip, 3000+ miles CO-UT-NV-ID-MT-WY-SD. Averaged 2.9 MPK in our RWD with 22" wheels. Works out to 275 miles of range (2.9 x 95 kWh) on average. That's 87% of the 315 EPA.

Not unreasonable for mostly highway speeds, but certainly not the range-beating efficiency that Porsche was known for with the Taycan. 13% below EPA is more in line with most other EVs on the market. Not bad, but kinda hoped for better from a Porsche. Needed that large 95 kWh battery to makes it safely on some of those 230+ mile gaps in NV/MT/WY.
 

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I think that 315 only applies to 20” wheels. I don’t know if they post a specific rating for the RWD on 22s but that would be the right number to compare with.

That result is quite good considering that you were on 23s and likely going quite a bit faster than the EPA test speed.
 
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I think that 315 only applies to 20” wheels. I don’t know if they post a specific rating for the RWD on 22s but that would be the right number to compare with.

That result is quite good considering that you were on 23s and likely going quite a bit faster than the EPA test speed.
Pretty sure EPA range applies to the whole trim (RWD), regardless of tires. But yeah, tire size has some impact, as do lots of other factors. Speed is always the biggest factor in any EV, since EPA is (stupidly) heavily weighted toward city driving. Makes no sense, since EV range really only matters for distance driving, which means highways. EPA needs a whole new methodology for EV range, but they're still stuck in the 70s. :cool:

275 real world highway range vs 315 EPA is pretty average. Not great, not terrible. Just... typical. (But nothing like the Taycan that greatly under-promised and over-delivered.)
 

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Right, and without the rear window wiper.

On the regen discussion, regen is nice to have, but it's not as efficient as you seem to describe. You don't get 100% of the energy back from you go back down the hill. It's my understanding that you might get 15% back, unless you have headwinds going up and tailwinds going down.
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